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*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread

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SteveNZ

International Coach
anonymouskefe said:
Read somewhere saying players wanted rob. More of a reason imo to go bond
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Not in 2025. Those players are professionals, they want the best for themselves and the side. No doubt that was different in 2011, but not now.

If they want Walter, they've heard from CD players, maybe from SA players, that he's good.
 
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SteveNZ

International Coach
Athlai said:
Are we going to ignore how drawn out and poor those transitions were? Some of these results might have ended up as victories rather than 2nd places with better coaching and selection.

I don't think we can celebrate Stead as the reason NZC has a depth of talent in this era,
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Yeah see I don't disagree with that. It is unquestionably Stead's biggest weakness, in the inability and unwillingness to transition through players, generations etc. That's his personality played out through his coaching, safety first...back the 30-year-old you know you can do somewhat of a job over the 21-year-old enigma who might be the next 25-year-old superstar.

He would have loved the late 2000s with the likes of Andrew Ellis, Ewen Thompson, Shanan Stewart, Michael Mason, Seth Rance etc
 
NZTailender

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
James said:
Bad call in my opinion to appoint an overseas coach (even though he's coached domestically) when you have Shane Bond as an option. With his background, arguably our second greatest ever bowler, and the fact we have a lot of young talented seamers that would benefit greatly from his experience, its a missed opportunity.

Oh well, hope Walter does well regardless.
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What does being an overseas coach got to do with anything?

I like Bond and would've been happy with him as coach, and probably posted somewhere that he'd be my preferred pick, but when you look at their credentials, simply put Rob Walter is a more qualified coach. Bond has been our bowling coach and then, at best, head coach for a one format team. Walter has experience across all formats from domestic to international level.

Everything you've said about Bond just says he's suited to being our bowling coach again. I think experience should count for something and if Bond wants a national gig perhaps he should go for a domestic team to get a feel for coaching across 3 formats, not just the 1.
 
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RMBolton

U19 Cricketer
SteveNZ said:
Not in 2025. Those players are professionals, they want the best for themselves and the side. No doubt that was different in 2011, but not now.

If they want Walter, they've heard from CD players, maybe from SA players, that he's good.
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CD, Otago, I'm pretty sure he's done work with NZ A so some of them may remember him from that. Yeah, realistically it was always going to be Walter.

I think if they were going to split the jobs, they could've given the white ball gig to Bond, but once they decided to keep them all together Walter was the realistic choice.
 
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Athlai

Athlai

Not Terrible
SteveNZ said:
How so? We have a batch of young guys who have been exposed to international cricket and whilst, ideally, a lot of them would have played more and have more experience, we have a reasonable sense of who might cut it.

All opinions are valid but I can't see how any approach Stead had can't be easily developed upon by the next coach.
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Not sure how you're confused here when you pretty much outline exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not saying Stead ruined NZ cricket, he was a perfectly serviceable coach but he was conservative and it held back our development, particularly when our talent began aging out. Stead rightfully deserves criticism, he was a steady hand but that is really the bare minimum from what we should expect from a coach during a peak period of NZ cricketing talent.
 
James

James

Cricket Web Owner
NZTailender said:
What does being an overseas coach got to do with anything?

I like Bond and would've been happy with him as coach, and probably posted somewhere that he'd be my preferred pick, but when you look at their credentials, simply put Rob Walter is a more qualified coach. Bond has been our bowling coach and then, at best, head coach for a one format team. Walter has experience across all formats from domestic to international level.

Everything you've said about Bond just says he's suited to being our bowling coach again. I think experience should count for something and if Bond wants a national gig perhaps he should go for a domestic team to get a feel for coaching across 3 formats, not just the 1.
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All very fair points and I can't fundamentally disagree with you.

I suppose I just have a soft spot for Bond because of his playing days for NZ, and the fact I'd prefer to see a New Zealander get the job. Plus I thought he'd do wonders for our young seamers, especially ahead of the Australia series next year. Hopefully Bond gets a chance and is interested next time around.
 
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SteveNZ

International Coach
Athlai said:
Not sure how you're confused here when you pretty much outline exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not saying Stead ruined NZ cricket, he was a perfectly serviceable coach but he was conservative and it held back our development, particularly when our talent began aging out. Stead rightfully deserves criticism, he was a steady hand but that is really the bare minimum from what we should expect from a coach during a peak period of NZ cricketing talent.
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OK, it seems I missed the point then immediately showed I saw the point. A win for me there somewhere.

But no I completely agree on that and my posts for the last 3-4 years are a reflection on that. Some coaches have the personality and the daring to expose new players to the environment, before they are ready and before it's 'safe' to do so. Stead was not that guy. And with so much irrelevant **** in our international calendar, that is a significant black mark on his record.

Nicholls is clearly the greatest example of his failings in this regard. He hasn't done a thing to provide any value to NZC for the last couple of years, whereas his spot could have gone to a Kelly, a Foxcroft and developed them into better cricketers.

Fortunately, there's more irrelevant cricket coming up in the next 12 months or so that we can expose the right guys to
 
Skyliner

Skyliner

International Debutant

Stuff

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'Walter was asked at a media conference in Auckland as to how he intended to improve the Black Caps’ record against Australia. It’s been 32 years since New Zealand won a test series versus their trans-Tasman rivals, and the Black Caps have beaten Australia just once in a test match in their past 33 outings.

The two teams will meet in a four-test series in Australia starting in December next year.
“It’s still a way away, and a few things to do before then and a few marquee events in particular - obviously the T20 World Cup next year,” Walter replied.
“We obviously have a good idea of what we want to work on.
“But it's not only about that series. Of course, to win that series will be monumental for us, but you know we've got to do a lot of things right before then that are just as important.
Twose added: “Interestingly enough, that was actually one of the interview questions and he answered that very well. He's got a few ideas.”'
 
Skyliner

Skyliner

International Debutant
'Former All Black Daryl Gibson is swapping codes to become the new chief high performance officer for New Zealand Cricket.
Gibson has been announced as the replacement for the long-serving Bryan Stronach.'

Stuff

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ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
Looks like a version of the Super Smash with worse bowling and smaller postage stamps (and eight overseas players per team) is currently underway in Oakland.
 
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RMBolton

U19 Cricketer
ataraxia said:
Looks like a version of the Super Smash with worse bowling and smaller postage stamps (and eight overseas players per team) is currently underway in Oakland.
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One of the things I love about SS is that it's not overly slanted toward the bats. Sure, the pitches are roads, but there's enough of a contest that overly large scores are still reasonably rare (1 or 2 a season). Apparently this is borne out in the stats - most seasons have average run rates in the region of 8rpo, where a lot of others are closer to 9rpo.
 
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