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The King is dead. Long live the King!
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Barney Rubble
International Coach
"World Cup" should be capitalised, and you missed the 'h' off "has" in the last sentence. 
Other than that, very good article, well written mate.
Other than that, very good article, well written mate.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Proof reading for the win."World Cup" should be capitalised, and you missed the 'h' off "has" in the last sentence.
Other than that, very good article, well written mate.
Thanks mate.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
You repeated best fast bowler in the world twice.
He has now established himself firmly as the best fast bowler in the world, and seamlessly transitioned into the role of the experienced spearhead. He is in his 30s, and at an age where most fast bowlers are winding down, Lee is clearly in the best form of his life and has established himself as the best fast bowler in the world.
Proof reading a piece usually cuts out those kinds of errors. Also, when you mention about the longer spells, giving a few examples like the 3 9 over spells in the same inning could have added to the piece. Just minor things though which are constructive criticisms more than any thing.
On Lee, I remember that a lot of people held the view that Clark was the best fast bowler in the world before this test series. I seemed a bit out of the pack when I said that Lee is the best fast bowler. He has firmly established himself as the best fast bowler in the world with this series and has easily been the highlight of the series. So I don't think any thing Lee has done has gone under the radar of the real cricket fans who watched the series. Love Lee so much and so happy how well he has done in the series. It has been a pleasure watching him enhance as a fast bowler over time.
Where other countries are concerned, only two bowlers can challenge Lee for premier fast bowler title in the future - Asif and M.Morkel IMO. Morkel still has a fair bit to do but I have high hopes from him. While Zaheer Khan maybe bowling brillianty and is one of the best fast bowlers at the moment, I don't think that he can take the mantle from Lee as the premier fast bowler. Looks like Lee will be leading the Aussie attack for the next 3-4 years at least which is great from a cricketing perspective as it is great watching Lee bowl.
He has now established himself firmly as the best fast bowler in the world, and seamlessly transitioned into the role of the experienced spearhead. He is in his 30s, and at an age where most fast bowlers are winding down, Lee is clearly in the best form of his life and has established himself as the best fast bowler in the world.
Proof reading a piece usually cuts out those kinds of errors. Also, when you mention about the longer spells, giving a few examples like the 3 9 over spells in the same inning could have added to the piece. Just minor things though which are constructive criticisms more than any thing.
On Lee, I remember that a lot of people held the view that Clark was the best fast bowler in the world before this test series. I seemed a bit out of the pack when I said that Lee is the best fast bowler. He has firmly established himself as the best fast bowler in the world with this series and has easily been the highlight of the series. So I don't think any thing Lee has done has gone under the radar of the real cricket fans who watched the series. Love Lee so much and so happy how well he has done in the series. It has been a pleasure watching him enhance as a fast bowler over time.
Where other countries are concerned, only two bowlers can challenge Lee for premier fast bowler title in the future - Asif and M.Morkel IMO. Morkel still has a fair bit to do but I have high hopes from him. While Zaheer Khan maybe bowling brillianty and is one of the best fast bowlers at the moment, I don't think that he can take the mantle from Lee as the premier fast bowler. Looks like Lee will be leading the Aussie attack for the next 3-4 years at least which is great from a cricketing perspective as it is great watching Lee bowl.
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Barney Rubble
International Coach
****, Cameron, you changed your avatar. What's the occasion?
Nate
You'll Never Walk Alone
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Haha. ****, I hate it when I write Clark as Clarke.Bowls slow left-armers IIRC.
Should probs proof-read.
Barney Rubble
International Coach
Haha. Ouch. Sad way for the pineapple to go out.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Very true. I firmly believed that Clark was the best fast bowler in the world, but Lee has clearly shown himself to be.*
I do give credit to Faaip. He's been harping on about Lee's improvement for a good two years now. I always like when a poster is proven right about something he's been claiming for a while, often with not too many supporters. So well done Faaip.
Btw, good article SS
*I still believe Asif to be the best fast bowler in the world on pure talent, but he's gotta be fit to prove this.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
It's only for 2 weeks or summat. Lost count of the number of times Cameron's lost the pineapple the last year (first I noticed was the McNamara debacle). Of course, he also managed to Harmison me in this time.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Heh, I don't TBH. If you ask me, no-one could really have seen this season coming (and there's no denying whatsoever this season's been way, way better than anything previous except perhaps his first 12 months in Tests) and anyone who actually did believe it was going to didn't really have any good reason to.
I don't believe Lee bowled remotely well at all in 2005, or in 2006\07, and while he at times did in 2005\06, it was only at times and mostly on seaming decks (something he didn't encounter much if at all in his 2001-2003\04 career) and\or against very poor batting sides.
As I've said many times now - full credit to Lee for bowling better than I (or, IMO, anyone reasonable) could have expected this last 6 Test-matches. But I don't think anyone had any right to predict it. I'm sure Fuller will have enjoyed Lee bowling well, and he deserves to having had (blind) faith in him. But I don't think Fuller deserves any credit for any such prediction, unless he can tell me how he was watching Lee sometime between January and November 2007 and observing him making improvements, which I doubt but am open to being told otherwise.
What's most annoying of all now is people pretending (and there are a few who have done so) that Lee wasn't even utterly rubbish 2001-2003\04. Because he was, absolutely no two ways about that whatsoever. He's got better, and well done to him for doing so. But he was very poor for a long time, and that'll take more than 1 season of excellence to erase.
Burgey
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Top article SS - good stuff.
The signs had been there for a while that Lee was improving, imo. He was gradually getting better as last year's Ashes series went on. On day 5 in Adelaide last year, for instance, he bowled a long, fast and very controlled spell which kept the pressure on the Poms, as well as getting Fred & Jones, iirc. That sort of control was not somethign which you could have had confidence in a seasojns ago.
Also, with Warne & McGrath now gone, he gets 1st crack at the pickings at the end of the innings, something which used to belong to the two others (and rightly so)
Perversely, his injury which kept him out of the WC may well have been a blessing - apparently he worked incredibly hard on his fitness, and the rewards were there to see with sustained spells of real pace.
Even on the last day in Adelaide, after back-to-back tests in some pretty hot temps, he was sending a few down at around 153-155kph. That's some heat.
The signs had been there for a while that Lee was improving, imo. He was gradually getting better as last year's Ashes series went on. On day 5 in Adelaide last year, for instance, he bowled a long, fast and very controlled spell which kept the pressure on the Poms, as well as getting Fred & Jones, iirc. That sort of control was not somethign which you could have had confidence in a seasojns ago.
Also, with Warne & McGrath now gone, he gets 1st crack at the pickings at the end of the innings, something which used to belong to the two others (and rightly so)
Perversely, his injury which kept him out of the WC may well have been a blessing - apparently he worked incredibly hard on his fitness, and the rewards were there to see with sustained spells of real pace.
Even on the last day in Adelaide, after back-to-back tests in some pretty hot temps, he was sending a few down at around 153-155kph. That's some heat.
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Matt79
Hall of Fame Member
Except that Sean and quite a few others, inc. me, have consistently said that Lee has been showing continuing and ongoing improvement, starting from coming back in in the 05 Ashes, and moving on.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
I know you have. And I think you were wrong. I think Lee by-and-large bowled (at least almost) as poorly in The Ashes in both 2005 and 2006\07 as he had in the early part of his career. I don't feel anyone could reasonably have seen him bowling as well as he has this season coming, and the fact that he has doesn't entirely justify the leap of faiths Fuller, yourself and a few others took.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Don't think so TBH. The last day in Adelaide, for mine, was his best spell in the series - and he only got 2-30odd. In the rest of the first 3 Tests his figures were roundly poor, and even an average of 50-odd flattered him. Then in the last 2 Tests he got excellent figures without, in my view, doing anything much to deserve them. The surface at The MCG was a very bowler-friendly one, and England's batting (inclusive of a long tail) was simply shot to pieces by then.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
I think you will find there are a lot that have always rated Lee very highly on this forum and something like this season is no suprise to myself and others.
I dont like your example of Ashes 2005 either. He didnt bowl badly in that. His average was high but if that is your sole basis for judgement then its tough to argue.
Apart from the noball issue he was always at the batsman and had a disproporionate number of runs come backwards of square. He was used as an attacking option which is illustrated by his high wicket total and high economy due to the aggressive fields set.
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