the dirty cheats were always dirty cheats before the dirty cheat test

[sledger]

which team is the dirtiest?

I mean, not in terms of cheating, but in terms of when you look at them you think "would prob soil my hands if I touched them"

 

[cnerd123]

which team is the dirtiest?

I mean, not in terms of cheating, but in terms of when you look at them you think "would prob soil my hands if I touched them"

ooh this one is temping

 

[trundler]

The English. I assume it's an effect of the miserable climate and their medieval bathing frequencies. Do people still get married in spring because it lines up with their yearly bath?

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I'm starting to think that the Ian Gould book that this story was publicising is not full of meat after seeing the second headline from it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/52363054

 

[Starfighter]

Eh, wait what? That's decent non-sequitur. DRS being available worldwide doesn't reduce predictive uncertainties. More cameras can reduce these, but they're still there.

 

[Tom Flint]

The English. I assume it's an effect of the miserable climate and their medieval bathing frequencies. Do people still get married in spring because it lines up with their yearly bath?

I doubt your country even knew what a bath was until we showed you

 

[TNT]

I doubt your country even knew what a bath was until we showed you

Too true, then we showed you what they are used for.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Tom Flint and TNT are genuinely the same person just from different countries

 

[Gnske]

remember when everyone forgave Faf for betraying the spirit of the game

 

[duffer]

remember when everyone forgave Faf for betraying the spirit of the game

Everyone?

 

[Gnske]

Everyone?

don't be a revisionist, not now when the argument is sitting on a knife edge

 

[TheJediBrah]

No one had to "forgive" Faf because he was never demonized in the first place. Everyone moved on immediately.

 

[Daemon]

Faf
- no previous dodgy behaviour
- had the balls to do it himself
- is a cool guy
- nice rig

Warner/Smith
- coerced young player to do it (warner)
- history of cheating (smith)
- history of cheating (australia)
- hilarious because of the whole hard but fair thing
- method of cheating was incredibly idiotic

 

[Starfighter]

Yeah nah. Faf was caught twice - years apart as well, and Philander was caught as well. It was certainly just a systematic in SA, just less inept.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Faf
- no previous dodgy behaviour

literally suspended for ball tampering multiple times

probably done it hundreds of times without getting caught

 

[Daemon]

Sorry, points 2-4 are so strong for him that I forgot.

 

[honestbharani]

Without going into the nationalistic crap that this usually boils down to, is it like the umpires and the cricket community itself views attempts to keep the shine on the ball as less of an offence than attempts to rough up the ball to get it to reverse? If you look at the incidents that had the worst stigma associated to them, its usually Athers dirt in pocket, the bottle top of Pak fast bowlers' pockets, and now the sandpaper saga. The jelly beans and murray mints, whatever they were, and Faf's mints to saliva to ball are not taken that seriously, I feel.

It maybe because reverse swing offers a significantly greater advantage to the bowling side but still, I would say if I can keep the shine on the ball longer in a place like England, its just as effective as reverse swing elsewhere.

 

[Line and Length]

Without going into the nationalistic crap that this usually boils down to, is it like the umpires and the cricket community itself views attempts to keep the shine on the ball as less of an offence than attempts to rough up the ball to get it to reverse? If you look at the incidents that had the worst stigma associated to them, its usually Athers dirt in pocket, the bottle top of Pak fast bowlers' pockets, and now the sandpaper saga. The jelly beans and murray mints, whatever they were, and Faf's mints to saliva to ball are not taken that seriously, I feel.

It maybe because reverse swing offers a significantly greater advantage to the bowling side but still, I would say if I can keep the shine on the ball longer in a place like England, its just as effective as reverse swing elsewhere.

You are probably right. Reverse swing wasn't in vogue in my time so roughing up the ball wasn't an issue. Helping the shine was another matter.

 

[duffer]

don't be a revisionist, not now when the argument is sitting on a knife edge

I'm still hurt by it. How could Fafsie do such a thing?

 

[Starfighter]

You are probably right. Reverse swing wasn't in vogue in my time so roughing up the ball wasn't an issue. Helping the shine was another matter.

Would you agree with the assessment that a non-zero proportion of the Brylcreem on Fred Trueman's hair (and that of many other bowlers) made it onto the ball?