The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Zinzan]

ATG NZ XI representing every decade since debut in 1930

Sutcliffe 1950s
Dempster 1930s
Williamson 2010s
Crowe* 1980s
Taylor 2000s
McCullum+ 2000s
Reid 1960s
Cairns 1990s
Vettori 1990s
Hadlee 1970s
Cowie 1940s

12th Man Bond

 

[jimmy101]

Victoria

Pre-War

Bill Ponsford
Bill Woodfull
Jack Ryder
Lindsay Hassett
Warwick Armstrong *
Vernon Ransford
Hugh Trumble
Jack Blackham +
Ted McDonald
Ernie McCormick
Bert Ironmonger

12th Tom Wills, Johnny Mullagh

Post-War to W.S.C.

Bill Lawry *
Ian Redpath
Neil Harvey
Bob Cowper
Keith Stackpole
Keith Miller
Len Maddocks +
Bill Johnston
Jack Iverson
Alan Connolly
Max Walker

12th Colin McDonald, Ian Johnson

W.S.C. to Present

Matthew Elliott
Graham Yallop
Brad Hodge
Dean Jones
Jamie Siddons
Simon O'Donnell
Darren Berry +
Shane Warne *
Mervyn Hughes
Damien Fleming
Peter Siddle

12th Paul Reiffel, Ian Harvey

 

[Zinzan]

Surprised how few great batsmen Victoria have produced since WSC.

 

[jimmy101]

Surprised how few great batsmen Victoria have produced since WSC.

Well, there are also Cam White & Glenn Maxwell who I could throw in there, but as we all know they are mainly one-day specialists and far from being considered great.

 

[morgieb]

Doing the same thing Jimmy did but for NSW:

Pre-War

Victor Trumper
Warren Bardsley
Don Bradman
Stan McCabe
Charlie Macartney
Monty Noble
Jack Gregory
Bill Oldfield
Charlie Turner
Bill O'Reilly
Fred Spofforth

12th JJ Ferris

Post-War to WSC

Sid Barnes
Arthur Morris
Bob Simpson
Norm O'Neill
Doug Walters
Brian Booth
Richie Benaud
Alan Davidson
Ray Lindwall
Brian Taber
Jeff Thomson

12th Ernie Toshack

Post-WSC

Mark Taylor
David Warner
Steven Smith
Allan Border
Steve Waugh
Michael Clarke
Adam Gilchrist
Brett Lee
Geoff Lawson
Nathan Lyon
Glenn McGrath

12th Michael Slater / Josh Hazlewood

 

[Zinzan]

Now that's more like it, and you're even omitted Mark Waugh, he would have been the star batsman for Victoria's post WSC side.

 

[Shri]

Oh state sides? Let me try Tamil Nadu:

K Srikkanth
M Vijay
A Mukund
S Badrinath
S Sriram
R Ashwin
D Karthik
M Kartik
S Venkataraghavan
L Balaji
T Sekhar

 

[OverratedSanity]

Sadagoppan Ramesh, ****

 

[jimmy101]

Now that's more like it, and you're even omitted Mark Waugh, he would have been the star batsman for Victoria's post WSC side.

Nah, Hodgey would have still been the man ;-)

 

[jimmy101]

Doing the same thing Jimmy did but for NSW:

Post-War to WSC

Sid Barnes
Arthur Morris
Bob Simpson
Norm O'Neill
Doug Walters
Brian Booth
Richie Benaud
Alan Davidson
Ray Lindwall
Brian Taber
Jeff Thomson

12th Ernie Toshack

Post-WSC

Mark Taylor
David Warner
Steven Smith
Allan Border
Steve Waugh
Michael Clarke
Adam Gilchrist
Brett Lee
Geoff Lawson
Nathan Lyon
Glenn McGrath

12th Michael Slater / Josh Hazlewood

I think QLD have a fair claim on Thomson & Border.

 

[morgieb]

I think QLD have a fair claim on Thomson & Border.

Both were born in NSW, learnt their cricket in NSW and made their debuts for NSW. They count AFAIC.

 

[Red]

Surprised how few great batsmen Victoria have produced since WSC.

Dunno. In fairness, I reckon Jamie Siddons and Brad Hodge would've both played 50-100 tests for most other nations in their era. Elliott was a far better bat than his test record suggests too.

Can we claim Chris Rogers too?

 

[Shri]

Sadagoppan Ramesh, ****

Had to omit him, Robin Singh etc

 

[Zinzan]

Dunno. In fairness, I reckon Jamie Siddons and Brad Hodge would've both played 50-100 tests for most other nations in their era. Elliott was a far better bat than his test record suggests too.

Can we claim Chris Rogers too?

Yeah, not saying they were terrible or anything, but relatively speaking, they're the best they've come up with since the late 70s?

I mean compared with the NSW batsmen like the below, which sees Mark Waugh on the sidelines.

Mark Taylor
David Warner
Steven Smith
Allan Border
Steve Waugh
Michael Clarke
Adam Gilchrist

 

[indiaholic]

Oh state sides? Let me try Tamil Nadu:

K Srikkanth
M Vijay
A Mukund
S Badrinath
S Sriram
R Ashwin
D Karthik
M Kartik
S Venkataraghavan
L Balaji
T Sekhar

Gujarat

Hanif Mohammad
Nari Contractor
Cheteshwar Pujara
Ranji
Polly Umrigar
Mankad
Farokh Engineer
Parthiv Patel
Sir Jadeja
Irfan Patel
Munaf Patel

Do wicketkeepers make good slip fielders?

 

[Shri]

Maybe but not Parthiv. **** Parthiv. Also, Irfan Patel?

 

[Howe_zat]

ATG anagram XI - 100 internet points available

1. Swerving Header
2. Toy Cyborg Toffee
3. Random Band
4. Unlatch A Redskin
5. Hugest Wave
6. Disable Liver
7. Obtain Ham
8. Heralded Chair
9. Nebula Milk
10. Old Anal Land
11. Bleary Scrotum

Another

1. Scratchier Cot Musk
2. Needed Grog Groin
3. Womanlike Snail
4. Hold My Lawman
5. Quackless Jail
6. Adrenal Orb
7. Hiring Handmade Hos
8. Wears Henna
9. Men Fear Turd
10. Quasi Norway
11. Ransomed Jeans

 

[vcs]

Another

1. Scratchier Cot Musk
2. Needed Grog Groin
3. Womanlike Snail
4. Hold My Lawman
5. Quackless Jail
6. Adrenal Orb
7. Hiring Handmade Hos
8. Wears Henna
9. Men Fear Turd
10. Quasi Norway
11. Ransomed Jeans

1.) Marcus Trescothick
5.) Jacques Kallis
6.) Alan Border
8.) Shane Warne
10.) Waqar Younis
11.) James Anderson

 

[OverratedSanity]

I spot Allan Border and Fred Trueman

 

[OverratedSanity]

1.) Marcus Trescothick
2.) Gordon Greenidge
3.) Kane Williamson
4.)
5.) Jacques Kallis
6.) Alan Border
7.)
8.) Shane Warne
9.) Fred Trueman
10.) Waqar Younis
11.) James Anderson