The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Red]

World T20 XI

Chris Gayle
Shane Watson
Virat Kohli
Kevin Pietersen
Brendon McCullum +
Glenn Maxwell
Shahid Afridi
Mitchell Starc
Dale Steyn
Lasith Malinga
Samuel Badree

 

[Shri]

World T20 XI

Chris Gayle
Shane Watson
Virat Kohli
Kevin Pietersen
Brendon McCullum +
Glenn Maxwell
Shahid Afridi
Mitchell Starc
Dale Steyn
Lasith Malinga
Samuel Badree

Nice. Mine:

Adam Gilchrist
Chris Gayle
Virat Kohli
Kevin Pietersen
Ab de Villiers
Andrew Symonds
Andrew Flintoff
Sunil Narine
Umar Gul
Lasith Malinga
Glenn McGrath

 

[OverratedSanity]

Hussey in for Symonds and that looks OK.

 

[AndrewB]

Here is I:

I

1 ?
2 ?
3 Ingram
4 Iredale
5 Irvine
6 Irani
7 Illingworth
8 Indrajitsinhji+
9 Iverson
10 Ironside
11 Ironmonger

No Imran or Inzamam? (Or Asif Iqbal if you're going by second names for Pakistani players).

 

[Gowza]

My team for today.

B.Richards
Hobbs
Bradman
Pollock
V.Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Miller
Procter
Botham
Warne

I feel botham is a bit under appreciated, his last few tests weren't spectacular but if you compare him to some bowling greats he stands up pretty well. If you take botham's first 60 matches and holdings entire career (60 matches) then botham matches up well. He had a slightly higher average (24.4 compared to holdings 23.68) but botham took 22 more wickets, he took 3 more 4fers, he took 7 more 5fers and 2 more 10fers. Their economy rates were similar, strike rates weren't far apart, to me botham is a very decent pick for an all time team.

 

[Shri]

No Imran or Inzamam? (Or Asif Iqbal if you're going by second names for Pakistani players).

Its last names and Asif Iqbal's last name is Rizvi.

 

[Compton]

My team for today.

B.Richards
Hobbs
Bradman
Pollock
V.Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Miller
Procter
Botham
Warne

I feel botham is a bit under appreciated, his last few tests weren't spectacular but if you compare him to some bowling greats he stands up pretty well. If you take botham's first 60 matches and holdings entire career (60 matches) then botham matches up well. He had a slightly higher average (24.4 compared to holdings 23.68) but botham took 22 more wickets, he took 3 more 4fers, he took 7 more 5fers and 2 more 10fers. Their economy rates were similar, strike rates weren't far apart, to me botham is a very decent pick for an all time team.

Imagine trying to bowl out a team with Botham and Warne at 10 and 11?

 

[Shri]

Easy, just chuck a pie at them.

 

[Howe_zat]

Batting under 35 & bowling over 35

1. Greg Blewett
2. Farokh Engineer+
3. Mark Butcher
4. Graeme Hick
5. MAK Pataudi*
6. Syd Gregory
7. Bev Congdon
8. Lance Klusener
9. Abdul Razzaq
10. Ishant Sharma
11. Doug Wright

12. John Emburey

 

[Howe_zat]

Turns out there are quite a few decent batsmen with rubbish averages but bowlers a bit harder to find

 

[watson]

Yeah, strangely enough it seems difficult for a regular Test bowler to average > 35

Under and Over 35

01. WG Grace
02. Archie MacLaren
03. Geoff Howarth *
04. Russell Endean
05. JP Duminy
06. Salim Durani
07. John Waite +
08. Bernard Julien
09. Athol Rowan
10, Ashantha de Mel
11. Tim Wall

 

[Furball]

What did Larwood average?

I'm not accusing him of averaging 35 but from memory it was around 28-29 wasn't it?

edit: Bracken a shout for the bowlers? Had a pretty decent FC average from memory and was a great ODI bowler.

 

[Furball]

What if you expanded to over 32 for your average?

 

[Flametree]

Under/over 35

1. Sherwin Campbell
2. Geoff Marsh
3. Bevan Congdon
4. Johnny Tyldesley
5. Derek Randall
6.Dattu Phadkar
7. Alan Knott *
8. Paul Strang
9. John Emburey
10. Venkatesh Prasad
11. Devon Malcolm

 

[Coronis]

Best XI from players I have seen - Version Jan 2017



Cook
Sehwag
Kallis
Lara
Sachin
Sanga (c)\
Gilchrist
Warne
Wasim
Murali / Steyn (based on conditions)
Ambrose

Nice XI, just swap Sanga and Kallis in the batting order.

 

[Coronis]

XI from the last 11 decades. Based on their performance in the specific decade. (otherwise Chappell > Richards)

Hobbs 1910's
Sutcliffe 1920's
Bradman* 1940's
Tendulkar 1990's
Richards 1970's
Sobers 1950's
Gilchrist+ 2000's
Marshall 1980's
Steyn 2010's
Trueman 1960's
O'Reilly 1930's

 

[Howe_zat]

Hobbs 1910's
Sutcliffe 1920's
Bradman* 1930's
Compton 1940's
Weekes 1950's
Sobers 1960's
Knott+ 1970s
Marshall 1980's
Warne 1990's
Murali 2000's
Steyn 2010's

 

[Red]

First and second XIs


Australia

Trumper
Morris
Bradman
G.Chappell
Miller
Harvey
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
OReilly
McGrath


Lawry
Simpson
Ponting
McCabe
Border
Armstrong
Healy
Davidson
Trumble
Lindwall
Johnston


England

Hobbs
Hutton
Ranji
Hammond
Barrington
Compton
Ames
Botham
Barnes
Laker
Trueman


Sutcliffe
Boycott
Gooch
May
Gower
Greig
Rhodes
Knott
Anderson
Statham
Bedser


West Indies

Greenidge
Worrell
Headley
Lara
Richards
Sobers
Dujon
Marshall
Holding
Ambrose
Gibbs


Haynes
Hunte
Kanhai
Weekes
Walcott
Lloyd
D Murray
Garner
Roberts
Ramahdin
Hall


South Africa

Richards
Smith
Kallis
Pollock
Nourse
DeVilliers
Faulkner
Procter
Tayfield
Steyn
Donald


Mitchell
Kirsten
Amla
Taylor
Bland
Goddard
Waite
Pollock
Philander
Vogler
Adcock

 

[Shri]

India

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Dhoni
Dev
Kumble
Khan
Srinath
Bedi

Gambhir
Vijay
Pujara
Hazare
Ganguly
Umrigar
Pataudi
Ashwin
Mankad
Amar Singh
Nissar

 

[S.Kennedy]

Durham (qualification, must simply have played for Durham f/c),

M. Hussey *
David Boon
Sangakkara
Dean Jones
Collingwood
Stokes
Botham
Mustard +
Otis Gibson
Onions
Harmison

(12th Man: Simon Brown)

With Beefy and Stokes there, it doesn't matter if it bats that high. Obviously Sanga only came here for a two-match 'English' tune-up, but he still qualifies by my criteria, so why not?

Durham (min 20 matches f/c),

Di Venuto
Jennings
Collingwood
Benkenstein*
Stokes
Botham
Mustard +
Gibson
Onions
Brown
Harmison

(Twelfth Man: Rushworth)

Obviously this team relies on recent history. Jennings automatically gets in for 2016 - it is really that simple.