Test cricket is 'not sport'

[Josh]

Its easy for an Aussie to try and preach to others, since the decisions are flowing your way almost all of the time and where it matters !!

Its not acceptable to tolerate decisions when they are going one way towards one country or some countries, OK ?

What?? A few bad decisions have gone our way. Big ****. We still get bad decisions that don't go our way but for some reason nobody is up in arms about that. The only reason people are knocking the decisions that go our way is because they are sick of Australia winning, basically.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Just as you sit in front of the box with a premeditated idea in mind that decisions going your way are all genuine !! and not being open to look at the decisions carefully !!

It hasn't always been like that, because the concept of Neutral Umpires only came about in last 2-3 years (ie 2 neutral Umps I mean). And thats when the expectations were for decisions to be neutral or error count to be reasonably equal on both sides of the ledger !!

But when that has not been the case people are wisening up and observing a trend and making claims !! Dismiss it as a fall back by supporters of Teams who failed to perform, if that makes you happy.

But this has been observed by several Teams that have played Australia , not one !

It seems Umpires are being programmed to give close decisions and sometimes not so close ones in favour of Australia !!

Not at all, I'm well aware that we get lucky...as does everyone else at times. You're right though, everyone has an idea about the game based on who they follow etc etc that they mould the game around, so when they see something happen that reinforces this idea they grab onto it with both hands as 'proof' (Richard has 1000's ).

Equally, you can claim it's the reason behind teams failing miserably if that makes you happy. You said you haven't got the time to sit down and gather the stats, so making claims that it's ridiculously one-sided have no foundation.

Of course umpires are being programmed to favour Australia - it's logical isn't it!? Oh, I just realised what you meant re: decisions favouring Australia in one series, then that being reversed to make up for it when the team that suffered against Australia plays its next series. I'd assume from that you're claiming that Sri Lanka copped the wrong end of the stick against Australia.....a few months down the track Australia plays NZ and NZ cops it from the umpires, then Sri Lanka plays NZ and because the umpires are trying to make up for their mistakes in the Aust-NZ series, Sri Lanka has it bad again. Which team do you support again?

 

[Son Of Coco]

You also observe cricket with certain premeditated idea in mind, so once you've decided one team is being favoured (as you obviously have) then you'll look for instances that back this up. It hasn't all been one way as you suggest, but we're seeing claims that it is more and more lately from supporters whose teams have been beaten - it seems to be the latest fallback for poor performance.

QUOTE]

is this not maybe the same premeditated idea that umpires may have when they walk out on the field and see they're umpiring australia vs daylight team A.

I guess it depends on whether or not you're presuming that they're biased in the first place, and if so whether you can explain why they would be when they're from countries other than Oz.

 

[Son Of Coco]

I think if you were seriously going to look at decisions in favour of whatever team you'd have to do it on a per innings basis too as the law of averages suggests that a team that rarely bats through two completed innings but nearly always bowls for two is going to have a higher aggregate of dismissals people may consider to be dubious in nature go their way when bowling.

 

[sammy123]

i dont really believe it is a sport, its more of a game like chess. calling it sport is like calling rolf harris a comedian. he deserves to be purged.

 

[luckyeddie]

i dont really believe it is a sport, its more of a game like chess. calling it sport is like calling rolf harris a comedian. he deserves to be purged.

Well, if cricket (whether test, county, village or backyard) isn't a sport, what is?

<quack> That's a difficult one, LE. Nothing, I suppose.

Exactly. If you deprive cricket of sport status, then Australians will no longer be able to communicate.

<quack> They barely can anyway

Hush, DD. You'll wake Scally. Anyway, that's not what I mean. What is the first thing any Australian EVER says in any context when they meet an Englishman?

<quack> "Beer?"

I don't think you quite understand. What's the first thing an Englishman says when they meet an Aussie?

<quack> "Would you like to buy some deodorant?"

Don't be cheeky, but you're on the right lines. I'll give you a clue. "Guh..."

<quack> I know, I know. "Got any spare change?"

 

[Blaze]

Cricket is an art form

 

[JASON]

Deliberately poor?

And what proof do you have?

As I have already said (and I repeat here again) its based on observation and closely following several series over the past 2-3 years !!

I don't have the luxury of time to go through every match and give you details of every Test and every decision etc.

This is an observation made by several people who follow a multitude of countries over several years !!

 

[JASON]

Ironic you should say that after the rants about the umpires in NZ - even moaning continuously about one decision that the umpire dealt with 100% correctly (!)

Every decision I mentioned in that thread were accurate ! Please read posts in that thread and don't bring it into this thread because its confusing as to what in particular you are talking about !

 

[JASON]

That is the problem Jason, its just what you think is happening and not what is happening.
You see the ICC do have the luxury and time to collect the data and they have come up with something different to you. So the question is who do we think is correct, you who supports Sri Lanka and thinks Australia get an unfair advantage or the ICC which is made up of representitives of all countries and say the umpiring is fair.

But Aussies have had a control (a stranglehold) on the ICC for past 5-6 years, Malcolm Grey and Malcolm Speed as CEO and the guy before him who was CEO (I can't recall his name) . I just wonder if there control at the ICC is extending into the Umpiring sphere as well !! (look at the number of Aussie Umpires on the panel Darrell Hair, Darrell Harper , Simon Taufel ) .

BTW do you think it is acceptable when Darrell Hair is unable to interpret the LBW law after 16 odd years sitting on the ICC Umpiring gravey train or for Steve Buchnor to make stupid mistakes on catches when everyone in the ground can hear the noise fron the edge and the batsman looks anxiously behind , after sitting on the ICC umpiring gravey train for 18 odd years and over 100 tests behind him and several hundred ODI s as well.

And why is it acceptable when Darrell Hair makes a mistake , but not when Asoka De Silva makes one ?

Do you dismiss Australian views on the umpiring as prejudice or bias.

No, I don't. Just as (I hope) Aussies (atleast the sensible ones apart from the occasional dumb ones on this thread - not you Mate, you know who J***) don't dismiss mine as being prejudiced or biased !!

 

[JASON]

The matches are one sided because australia are just that damn good.

I agree with that, and am not disputing that !! I am only suggesting that for the guys like Rodney Hogg and Shane Warne to say that games are one sided - they need to acknowledge the deficiencies of Umpiring are also contrinutory to this !!

And more so because they have benefitted from that in the last few years !! (that's why its more annoying )

 

[luckyeddie]

I agree with that, and am not disputing that !! I am only suggesting that for the guys like Rodney Hogg and Shane Warne to say that games are one sided - they need to acknowledge the deficiencies of Umpiring are also contrinutory to this !!

And more so because they have benefitted from that in the last few years !! (that's why its more annoying )

Whereas I don't agree with everything you say in this argument, much of the 'apparent' bias to me seems to be very much like the 'Premiership syndrome' we seem to see in the FA Cup all too frequently, where decisions always seem to favour the 'big' clubs.

It's probably more an unconscious bias rather than any deliberate attempt to manipulate.

 

[marc71178]

As I have already said (and I repeat here again) its based on observation and closely following several series over the past 2-3 years !!

But what evidence do you have that umpires are DELIBERATELY making wrong decisions?

Absolutely none.

 

[marc71178]

Every decision I mentioned in that thread were accurate !

Including the Vincent one?

The 3rd umpire is inconclusive as to if it carried, yet you still moaned about it.

 

[Pratters]

Really i wouldn't mention Brandes there if you want to be taken seriously

Surely you havent seen the bashing he gave the poms

On a serious note, Brandes was average but understimated IMO as he played for a very poor team for most of his career.

 

[Link]

Cricket is an art form

On the back of Vaughan's technique, i'll back that

 

[vasetti12]

I cant believe what you said about test cricket not being a sport...What is it then...What is it besides a sport...Name two things...No wait name me one thing it could be instead of a sport.

 

[luckyeddie]

I cant believe what you said about test cricket not being a sport...What is it then...What is it besides a sport...Name two things...No wait name me one thing it could be instead of a sport.

Ice cream

 

[vasetti12]

Ice cream

Haha....Ice Cream...Well i wouldnt like a Kallis flavoured Ice cream...haha..

 

[luckyeddie]

Haha....Ice Cream...Well i wouldnt like a Kallis flavoured Ice cream...haha..

I mean that it's a sweet game, totally satisfying, a special treat on a sunday afternoon and smashing with wafers