Test cricket is 'not sport'

[Scallywag]

2. You seem to have missed that i've never tired to seek scapegoats for our poor performance in the 2nd Test aganist NZ. When you continual get inconsistant umpires it more it so much harder to be consistant at home and away. This isn't the only reason why were inconsistant away from home, but all you asked were for things that dis-advantaged Sri Lankan cricket.

Every team has to accept that umpires are going to make some wrong decisions and each and every team cop their fair share. Sri Lanka are not dis-advantaged by poor umpiring as every team is subject to the same quality of umpiring. Every player has or will at some time get a decision that may be wrong it is not just Sri Lankan players that this happens to.

 

[Scallywag]

can i ask what has malcolm speed himself done wrong?? are there any decisions that we can hold him personally accountable for the "declining state of cricket?

He comes from Australia isnt that enough to convince you he is corupt biased and a cheat.

 

[Slats4ever]

i hope u meant that sarcastically

 

[Scallywag]

i hope u meant that sarcastically

Yes I did, but I have seen so much blame heaped on Speed without any justification except he is Australian. But I did note that when the Indian President of the ICC stepped down he had a lot of good things to say about Speed.

 

[chaminda_00]

Every team has to accept that umpires are going to make some wrong decisions and each and every team cop their fair share. Sri Lanka are not dis-advantaged by poor umpiring as every team is subject to the same quality of umpiring. Every player has or will at some time get a decision that may be wrong it is not just Sri Lankan players that this happens to.

That fact that we get the 2nd worst umpire appionted to our matches, generally means we get a worse standard of umpiring. Over time this is going to affect any team performances, there are other factors that do affect our performances, but those factors can be controlled.

 

[Scallywag]

That fact that we get the 2nd worst umpire appionted to our matches, generally means we get a worse standard of umpiring. Over time this is going to affect any team performances, there are other factors that do affect our performances, but those factors can be controlled.

Where do you get the ratings on umpires.

 

[social]

The ICC uses 5 criteria only when selecting officials for a series.

1. They must be independent.

2. They must be the best available

3. They are not allowed to umpire one team too frequently

4. Workloads are taken into consideration

5. Better performing umpires are used more often.

There is nothing in the ICC's regulations about designating lower ranking umpires to lower ranking teams.

 

[chaminda_00]

There are no ratings of umpire but these IMHO are the best three; Rudi Koertzen, Simon Taufel and David Shepperd. In the last two years these guys have umpire Sri Lanka 7 times (Shep and Simon twice, Rudi 3 times). The only teams that they have umpired less are Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. You still think we get a fair share when it comes to umpires???

 

[Scallywag]

There are no ratings of umpire but these IMHO are the best three; Rudi Koertzen, Simon Taufel and David Shepperd. In the last two years these guys have umpire Sri Lanka 7 times (Shep and Simon twice, Rudi 3 times). The only teams that they have umpired less are Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. You still think we get a fair share when it comes to umpires???

Sri Lanka do get a fair deal with the umpires. Just because you think Rudi Koertzen, Simon Taufel and David Shepperd are the best umpires does not make it so.

The ICC has 8 elite umpires which have all been identified as being competent of umpiring at the highest standard and fully qualified to umpire in test and ODI matches.

Some people say Bowden is the best and some say Harper is the best but the fact is all eight are the very best avaliable and complaining that you want to have who you want is just rediculous.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

There are no ratings of umpire but these IMHO are the best three; Rudi Koertzen, Simon Taufel and David Shepperd. In the last two years these guys have umpire Sri Lanka 7 times (Shep and Simon twice, Rudi 3 times). The only teams that they have umpired less are Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. You still think we get a fair share when it comes to umpires???

Dar for me is far better than Shephard, as is Bowden. Agreed on Taufel and Koertzen. Keep in mind that Australia never gets Taufel either, because of the neutral umpires rule.

But yes, as Scallywag said, there are 8 elite umpires (which Shephard will soon be leaving, of course) and they are all considered more or less "equal" by the ICC, except that those who make the least errors are used more often. There's no policy of giving Sri Lanka the duds.

 

[Scallywag]

Out of the eight elite umpires here are the stats for games umpired by them involving Sri Lanka.
Umpire ......SL games/total games= %
Bucknor ....20/102 =19.6%
Sheppard ...9/90= 10%
Harper .......14/49=28.5
Hair ...........4/62=6.4
Taufel ........3/22=13.6
Koertzen ....12/62=19.3
Dar ...........4/20=20
Bowden .....9/25=36

It is a stupid arguement to try and claim that Sri Lanka get the worst umpires on a regular basis because it is simply not true.

As you can see Bowden leads the way followed by
Harper
Dar
Bucknor
Koertzen
Taufel
Shepherd
and last is Hair.

 

[Scallywag]

2. You seem to have missed that i've never tired to seek scapegoats for our poor performance in the 2nd Test aganist NZ. When you continual get inconsistant umpires it more it so much harder to be consistant at home and away. This isn't the only reason why were inconsistant away from home, but all you asked were for things that dis-advantaged Sri Lankan cricket.

This has been proven completely wrong in the post above.

 

[chaminda_00]

This has been proven completely wrong in the post above.

Look at the last two years of umpiring appiontment and you will get a greater picture and compare appointed to the ones that Australia get.

 

[Scallywag]

Look at the last two years of umpiring appiontment and you will get a greater picture and compare appointed to the ones that Australia get.

Harper, Hair and Taufel cannot umpire Australia so the remaining 5 umpires are the only ones that can umpire Australia.

Sri Lanka can be umpired by the full eight elite umpires and as you can see they are evenly allocated each umpire.

Australia on the other hand can only be allocated the remaining five Bucknor, Shepherd, Koertzen, Bowden and Dar.

Your arguement is flawed.

 

[chaminda_00]

Harper, Hair and Taufel cannot umpire Australia so the remaining 5 umpires are the only ones that can umpire Australia.

Sri Lanka can be umpired by the full eight elite umpires and as you can see they are evenly allocated each umpire.

Australia on the other hand can only be allocated the remaining five Bucknor, Shepherd, Koertzen, Bowden and Dar.

Your arguement is flawed.

If my argument is flawed then how come Shepherd umpire SL twice and Australia 13 times and Koertzen SL (3) and Aus (13), both over half their games in the last two years.

As Social said

3. They are not allowed to umpire one team too frequently

Clearly that shows that the umpires that the umpires ICC believe to be the better umpires get more games with the top side, even though their own guidelines state this shouldn't happen.

Also Taufel has umpire 8 games ENG and 9 games aganist SA, pretty much double the games his umpired aganist other sides.

 

[Scallywag]

If my argument is flawed then how come Shepherd umpire SL twice and Australia 13 times and Koertzen SL (3) and Aus (13), both over half their games in the last two years.

Because you cant have Sri Lanka nominate who they want to umpire their team.

Now its proven that over time Sri Lanka have had all the umpires evenly umpire them.
The logistics of allocating umpires is not as simple as you seem to think but the ICC has managed to give a even spread of all the umpires to Sri Lanka except Hair who gets the least.

What particular umpires do you have a problem with.

 

[chaminda_00]

Because you cant have Sri Lanka nominate who they want to umpire their team.

Now its proven that over time Sri Lanka have had all the umpires evenly umpire them.
The logistics of allocating umpires is not as simple as you seem to think but the ICC has managed to give a even spread of all the umpires to Sri Lanka except Hair who gets the least.

What particular umpires do you have a problem with.

All im should that it isn't fair that a umpire, gets half their games aganist one team and hardly umpires another team. It should be even like the guidelines say but it isn't is it.

 

[Scallywag]

All im should that it isn't fair that a umpire, gets half their games aganist one team and hardly umpires another team. It should be even like the guidelines say but it isn't is it.

Once again you are completely wrong.
There is only five umpires available to umpire Australia and the duties have been evenly distributed. Below are the % of games for each umpire in Australian tests.

Koertzen.... 38%
Bucknor..... 31%
Shepherd... 35%
Bowden..... 36%
Dar ............35%

So what umpire gets half their games against one team

 

[chaminda_00]

Once again you are completely wrong.
There is only five umpires available to umpire Australia and the duties have been evenly distributed. Below are the % of games for each umpire in Australian tests.

Koertzen.... 38%
Bucknor..... 31%
Shepherd... 35%
Bowden..... 36%
Dar ............35%

So what umpire gets half their games against one team

Look at the last couple years since the Elite Panel was developed and you will see that your completely wrong.

Koertzen in the last two years 13 out of 25 games aganist Australia
Shepherd in the same time 13 out of 21 games aganist Australia

These are the umpires who have umpired half there games aganist Australia as i said twice. It pountless looking at their whole career cus the distribution of matches have changed completely since the 'Elite Panel' was developed and neatural umpires were introduced. I gather all stats that you are putting up are career stats.

 

[honestbharani]

I don't think Australia are the only team who get favourable decisions from the umpires. In the last ODI against Pakistan, 2 shockers were given and both went in favour of India.


But Geoff Boycott said something about how being an International umpire today means constant travelling. And some good umpires (he mentioned Peter Willey as an example) don't want to get into the international panel as they don't wanna stay away from home for that long. And he says that because of this, the International Panel is not exactly filled with the best umpires. They may be the best 'available' umpires but they are not necessarily the 'best' umpires..... The ICC needs to work something out about this.