Over the course of their careers I'd agree with the latter part not so sure this year that is the case though given the stats. Could make a case for Holder in as a bowler or all-rounder (not that I think he quite makes it as 1 of 3 bowlers) whereas not so much the case with Stokes. However, I think at the end of their careers Stokes will end up being the better player. But yeah think the balance you want within the side is so key when setting these sides - I personally quite like 2 spinners if you can get a genuine bowler who can bat decently e.g. Holder/Curran but as someone alluded to before not many spinners have had brilliant years it seems.
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Team of the Year 2019
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ataraxia
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This is what's annoying about making yearly World XIs; some players can have ridiculous averages in one discipline or another like Holder's or Jadeja's batting averages. Given that the teams have to be based around that year alone it doesn't really give you much option.
SillyCowCorner1
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Just for fun
Kookabura Balls XI:
1. Warner
2. Latham
3. Marnus
4. Kane
5.* Root
6. Head
7. Watling
8. Lyon
9. Cummins
10. Starc
11. Wagner
Dukes ball XI:
1. John Campbell
2. Rory Burns
3. Virat
4. Steve Smith
5. Ben Stokes
6. Roston Chase
7. Dowrich
8. Holder
9. Roach
10. Shami
11. Bumrah
SG Balls XI
1. Rohit
2. Mayank
3. Elgar
4. Mushfiqur
5. Rahane
6. Jadeja
7. Ashwin
8. Maharaj
9. Umesh
10. Ishant
11. Abu Jayed
Kookabura Balls XI:
1. Warner
2. Latham
3. Marnus
4. Kane
5.* Root
6. Head
7. Watling
8. Lyon
9. Cummins
10. Starc
11. Wagner
Dukes ball XI:
1. John Campbell
2. Rory Burns
3. Virat
4. Steve Smith
5. Ben Stokes
6. Roston Chase
7. Dowrich
8. Holder
9. Roach
10. Shami
11. Bumrah
SG Balls XI
1. Rohit
2. Mayank
3. Elgar
4. Mushfiqur
5. Rahane
6. Jadeja
7. Ashwin
8. Maharaj
9. Umesh
10. Ishant
11. Abu Jayed
GoodAreasShane
Cricketer Of The Year
Any team with the trust fund kid as captain is something I cannot take seriously. Maharaj pretty lucky too on account of being somewhat underwhelming in India
SillyCowCorner1
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That was a mistake. I meant for Kane to be skipper of the Kookabura balls eleven.
GoodAreasShane
Cricketer Of The Year
That seems a much better choice to me
SillyCowCorner1
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Yeah, the Kookabura ball captain could have been anyone.
vcs
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Babar instead of Root
ataraxia
International Coach
Sees Wagner ordering everyone to put the balance of their life on cricket...
"That's an order!"
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
It’s not a tough choice when the vacant spot is for a batsman and only one of the 2 is a top order batsmen though. Holder is a front line bowler so has to compete for one of those spots.
GoodAreasShane
Cricketer Of The Year
Considering how frail the WI top order is though he is usually in as early as if he was batting higher though. It's certainly nowhere near as unreasonable as you are suggesting, shows a profound lack of knowledge about Caribbean cricket on your behalf
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
He had one innings over 40 in the whole year and in that innings he effectively came in at 320-6. That is not better than Stokes by any stretch of the imagination.
GoodAreasShane
Cricketer Of The Year
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Effectively because they were 200+ ahead on first innings.
Notice you brush over the fact that that was his only innings above 40 all year...
GoodAreasShane
Cricketer Of The Year
That's just absolutely terrible logic, considering how the top order had went and how the pitch was playing, to try and say he was downhill skiing is ignorant in the extreme. The only real reason the West Indies seemed to be in a good position was your lot batting like rock apes in the first innings
And as for your second point, 8 innings to 21, and mostly in less friendly batting conditions. As has been pointed out to you many times all English cricketers benefit somewhat from the sheer volume of Test cricket they play compared to the rest of the world.
Although that being said I do believe Stokes is a marginally better batsman, but Holder definitely a better cricketer overall on account of his easily superior bowling
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Stokes is definitely the superior batsman and definitely did better with the bat compared to Holder this year. I don't think that's really up for debate.
But to me having a guy who averaged 17 with the ball who can score a ton from 8 just adds more value than Stokes, who can be replaced with Babar for marginally better batting.
But to me having a guy who averaged 17 with the ball who can score a ton from 8 just adds more value than Stokes, who can be replaced with Babar for marginally better batting.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Its also about the balance though. Stokes is more of a batting allrounder while I still think Holder is more of a bowling allrounder. If you are looking for a top 6 spot, its better to go with the batting allrounder is what I feel. So many of the middle order bats have done so well that it is almost tempting to have KW open to make room for a stronger middle order.
EDIT: Nvm. Was posting the team of the decade. My bad.
EDIT: Nvm. Was posting the team of the decade. My bad.