Stupid Ref

[age_master]

Assume you can only be talking about Cahill's tackle now, unless you think a highly debateable collision is a penalty to Japan?

yeah the first one shouldn't have been a goal, and the Cahill tackle should have been a penalty so its all even in the end.

Those Japanese players like to fall over and have a cry dont they? couldn't believe how many times they dropped to thr ground

 

[Simon]

they deliberately went down every time it looked like we could have had a counter attack and then we had to kick the ball out, we should have just played on, cheating bloody *******s.

 

[alternative]

all of those who r complaining about players falling down.. should watch this lil clip..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0do5xlE9C_A

 

[Craig]

they deliberately went down every time it looked like we could have had a counter attack and then we had to kick the ball out, we should have just played on, cheating bloody *******s.

Have they been playing in soft fairy land? ie La Liga, or Portugal?

 

[luckyeddie]

they deliberately went down every time it looked like we could have had a counter attack and then we had to kick the ball out, we should have just played on, cheating bloody *******s.

Scaly?

Is that you?

 

[marc71178]

As for the penalty call at the end of the game - you could argue that the Japanese player had lost the ball already but as far as I know that has no impact on whether its a foul or not so it probably should ahve been a penalty.

There doesn't even have to be contact for it to be a foul, a fact that many people overlook when moaning about dives.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Gotta love all the moaning about Japan diving, their diving wasn't any worse than Australia's 'tackling'.

 

[Smudge]

Gotta love Scaly's neverending snide remarks...

 

[steds]

Do I have to?

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Gotta love all the moaning about Japan diving, their diving wasn't any worse than Australia's 'tackling'.

Diving = cheating. Playing a physical game = not cheating. See?

 

[Travis_Teh]

Gotta love all the moaning about Japan diving, their diving wasn't any worse than Australia's 'tackling'.

Meanwhile, two foot lunges I assume are pretty cool when Stevie G does them, hey? He does **** white after all, right?

 

[Travis_Teh]

all of those who r complaining about players falling down.. should watch this lil clip..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0do5xlE9C_A

hahah, brilliant

 

[Scaly piscine]

Diving = cheating. Playing a physical game = not cheating. See?

Most of the diving was to exaggerate what was already a foul, so in that respect it is gamesmanship not cheating exactly. You could say it is cheating when someone deliberately takes a player out, as Australia did on a few occasions - most if not all teams do that anyway tho.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Most of the diving was to exaggerate what was already a foul, so in that respect it is gamesmanship not cheating exactly. You could say it is cheating when someone deliberately takes a player out, as Australia did on a few occasions - most if not all teams do that anyway tho.

Define "taking a player out"? If you set out to injure someone so they can't play, then yeah, it's pretty dirty, but going in hard and fouling is hardly cheating, it's just physical play. If it's too rough it'll be carded, and given how harsh the ref was on Australia yesterday you can hardly complain that he didn't crack down enough on the fouls.

Diving in an attempt to win a free kick or penalty when there isn't one is cheating, pure and simple. It's just like a goal scored from a deliberate handball, kicking a player when the ref isn't looking or whatever else.

Mind you, almost all teams dive to some degree or another, but there's a big gap between Australia and Japan or Argentina in that regard.

 

[Slats4ever]

Gotta love Scaly's neverending snide remarks...

tbh i reckon they're hopeless

 

[alternative]

hahah, brilliant

looked back at this thread quite a few times to see if anyone had comments on it, but i guess no one cared.. or they all might actually know the truth..

 

[pasag]

Just watched it now. Classic.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Define "taking a player out"? If you set out to injure someone so they can't play, then yeah, it's pretty dirty, but going in hard and fouling is hardly cheating, it's just physical play. If it's too rough it'll be carded, and given how harsh the ref was on Australia yesterday you can hardly complain that he didn't crack down enough on the fouls.

Diving in an attempt to win a free kick or penalty when there isn't one is cheating, pure and simple. It's just like a goal scored from a deliberate handball, kicking a player when the ref isn't looking or whatever else.

Mind you, almost all teams dive to some degree or another, but there's a big gap between Australia and Japan or Argentina in that regard.

Taking out a player, as in they go past (or as they're going past) an Aussie and the Aussie then deliberately pushes them over, grabs their shirt, trips them up or whatever because it's to their advantage to give away a free-kick instead of letting them continue. Japan were nearly always fouled when they dived, as opposed to a typical Harry Kewell dive which requires no contact whatsoever.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Taking out a player, as in they go past (or as they're going past) an Aussie and the Aussie then deliberately pushes them over, grabs their shirt, trips them up or whatever because it's to their advantage to give away a free-kick instead of letting them continue. Japan were nearly always fouled when they dived, as opposed to a typical Harry Kewell dive which requires no contact whatsoever.

There's nothing wrong with that really. Provided it's not in a situation where it prevents a goal, it's just a foul, and slowing up the game by fouling the opposition is legitimate, assuming the referee is fair and calls the fouls when they are there. And if you are fouled and go down, it's not a dive. That's a foul. A dive is when someone is standing behind you (for instance) and does nothing wrong and you throw yourself to the ground in an attempt to win a free kick when there isn't one.

 

[GIMH]

A foul is cheating. There's no two ways about it. Sides like Australia who are always making niggly fouls are very effective at what they do, because they avoid rash tackles and the like, and thus hurt the opposition but can avoid cards a lot of the time. but it's still cheating.