Stokes, Ashwin or Shakib?

[h_hurricane]

If Jadeja could replicate what we he did in the last 5 years for the next 4-5 years and a few impactful series defining performances abroad, he would undoubtedly end as an ATG imo.

Same goes for Ashwin. In fact 2-3 years is good enough for him.

 

[ankitj]

The issue with the peaks is that;

1. It is arbitrary
2. It hides the crap

IIRC there was a period where Imran averaged 40+ with the bat and 19 with the ball.

And then Mushtaq Mohammed is there who scored a hundred and took five wickets in the same match against WI. Beat that for a peak. (As I said, length of the peak is arbitrary, even can be one match).

My take: Peaks are way, way, way overrated.

You may or may not rate cricketers based on peaks, but in and of themselves peaks are very interesting to look at and marvel at. Looking at peaks of likes of Botham, Waqar, Ponting etc. does tell you something about their utter dominance for a period.

 

[GIMH]

@Lillian Thomson has I think posted in the past that Botham was the most talented cricketer ever, or could have been. Something like that. You see those numbers and it's not hard to understand why such a thing would be said.

 

[CricAddict]

This is the second Golden age of allrounders after the Imran-Botham-Hadlee-Kapil era post which allrounders got exclusive to SA. To rate the all-rounders right now, I will go

1. Jadeja
2. Stokes
3. Shakib
4. Holder
5. Ashwin
6. Jamieson

The top 3 can/will end up as ATG. Also, there is potential in Green, Sam Curran, Mulder, Mayers and Mehedi to get into that list.

 

[honestbharani]

This is the second Golden age of allrounders after the Imran-Botham-Hadlee-Kapil era post which allrounders got exclusive to SA. To rate the all-rounders right now, I will go

1. Jadeja
2. Stokes
3. Shakib
4. Holder
5. Ashwin
6. Jamieson

The top 3 can/will end up as ATG. Also, there is potential in Green, Sam Curran, Mulder, Mayers and Mehedi to get into that list.

What a time to be alive ?

 

[Senile Sentry]

This is the second Golden age of allrounders after the Imran-Botham-Hadlee-Kapil era post which allrounders got exclusive to SA. To rate the all-rounders right now, I will go

1. Jadeja
2. Stokes
3. Shakib
4. Holder
5. Ashwin
6. Jamieson

The top 3 can/will end up as ATG. Also, there is potential in Green, Sam Curran, Mulder, Mayers and Mehedi to get into that list.

Not sold on Stokes. He's not bowling at all these days.

 

[Daemon]

Not sold on Stokes. He's not bowling at all these days.

Only this series tbf. He averages >10 overs an innings over the last 15 Tests.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Stokes bowled heaps in the Ashes last year (ie only series that really matters)

He's a medium pace swing bowler, wouldn't expect him to bowl a lot of overs in the subcontinent

 

[CricAddict]

What a time to be alive ?

True. Great to watch Test cricket right now. A fab five batting in Smith-Kohli-Root-Kane-Babar and fab four pacers in Rabada-Cummins-Bumrah-Archer along with these Fab 3 all-rounders Jadeja-Shakib-Stokes.

 

[ankitj]

Fab 1 spinner: Ashwin

 

[Migara]

Stokes bowled heaps in the Ashes last year (ie only series that really matters)

He's a medium pace swing bowler, wouldn't expect him to bowl a lot of overs in the subcontinent

However Ashwin, Shakib and Jadeja are expected to bowl and bat in every condition. Odd it is . . .

 

[Line and Length]

Shakib is an obvious talent but, with the bat, he has failed to be overly impressive against Australia, India and England (averaging less than 30 against all 3).
From the bowling perspective, I'm a little perplexed by his figures against other sub-continent nations (Pakistan ave 63.9; India 42.8 and Sri Lanka 41.1) Against the rest he has been very impressive with ball in hand.

 

[TheJediBrah]

However Ashwin, Shakib and Jadeja are expected to bowl and bat in every condition. Odd it is . . .

Not a valid comparison at all, for a lot of reasons

 

[Senile Sentry]

Only this series tbf. He averages >10 overs an innings over the last 15 Tests.

Stokes bowled heaps in the Ashes last year (ie only series that really matters)

He's a medium pace swing bowler, wouldn't expect him to bowl a lot of overs in the subcontinent

If he can bowl only on helpful surfaces, he is not really a woeld class all rounder is he ?

 

[Daemon]

If he can bowl only on helpful surfaces, he is not really a woeld class all rounder is he ?

Ishant bowled 11 overs last game

 

[Senile Sentry]

Ishant bowled 11 overs last game

Yes and India bowled how many overs vs England?

 

[TheJediBrah]

If he can bowl only on helpful surfaces, he is not really a woeld class all rounder is he ?

Exact same thing happens to specialist fast bowlers quite often, doesn't mean they aren't bowlers