Steve Bucknor retires

[roseboy64]

For all the Indian fans, get off it. Every team gets bad decisions. Have heard the argument numerous times that the WI gets the most bad decisions and that certain umpires don't like the team and/or are racist.

 

[duffer]

Massive lol @ the preachers.

 

[Jono]

Reckon he'd be a very rich man by now. They get paid pretty well don't they?

 

[Burgey]

Massive lol @ the preachers.

The ones saying get over it, or the ones saying he was anti-Indian?

 

[duffer]

The ones saying get over it, or the ones saying he was anti-Indian?

Well ftr I never said he was anti-Indian. I said he had a history of iffy incidents with the Indian team on and off the field and whenever they went to the ICC to try and get some resolution they ignored it completely.

Sydney happened as a culmination of all their previous frustrations being ignored more than just whining over a couple of bad decisions which so many people either fail to comprehend or just decide not to acknowledge.

 

[Burgey]

I understand what you're saying, but still don't think it's an excuse tbh. Just agree to disagree I guess.

 

[duffer]

I understand what you're saying, but still don't think it's an excuse tbh. Just agree to disagree I guess.

Yeah, never said it was the right thing to do(it wasn't) but I can understand why they took the stance they did.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah, never said it was the right thing to do(it wasn't) but I can understand why they took the stance they did.

 

[silentstriker]

I understand what you're saying, but still don't think it's an excuse tbh.

Well, which part? Threatening to go home? Yea, I'd agree. Refusing to play with him again? Absolutely the right decision. Though as far as I know, Indian whining about threatening to go home was regarding Harbhajan not Bucknor (which was obviously even worse, considering the weed they were defending, and it would have been inexcusable even if he was a saint).

 

[Top_Cat]

Yeah, never said it was the right thing to do(it wasn't) but I can understand why they took the stance they did.

The problem with this, though, is that the BCCI claims they've been ignored but the ICC really couldn't get rid of (or ask not to stand in matches involving India) Bucknor anyway, even years ago. If they did at the behest of the BCCI (none of the other boards have complained, I believe), they essentially admit they have a biased umpire on their hands. Plus there's the practical implications of punting an umpire on the rather resource-limited elite panel.

Honesty, I think the ICC just disagreed with the BCCI. if they honestly thought he was a problem, they'd probably still publically back him but quietly get rid of him once the furor died down. Myself, I'm not that emotionally invested in whether Bucknor umpires or not but the public bleating is hysterical.

 

[Nate]

Cricinfo - Bucknor riles the Indians

Haha, pretty petty by India there. I highly doubt Bucknor would do something like that and find it likely that the Indian Team saw something that wasn't there, due to their history with him.

All imo of course.

 

[silentstriker]

I guess if you complain officially, you get blamed. If you whine in public, you get blamed. So I guess the best course of action would be to just push buttons behind the scenes and get people fired? Wait, they'd get blamed for that too.

 

[Top_Cat]

I guess if you complain officially, you get blamed. If you whine in public, you get blamed. So I guess the best course of action would be to just push buttons behind the scenes and get people fired? Wait, they'd get blamed for that too.

You're describing the exact villification the Aussies were subject to after they complained about Harbhajan.

 

[silentstriker]

You're describing the exact villification the Aussies were subject to after they complained about Harhajan.

Exactly.


I've never defended Harbhajan or his racism. Or blamed Australia for complaining. Ever.

 

[duffer]

Honesty, I think the ICC just disagreed with the BCCI. if they honestly thought he was a problem, they'd probably still publically back him but quietly get rid of him once the furor died down. Myself, I'm not that emotionally invested in whether Bucknor umpires or not but the public bleating is hysterical.

I can see the problem in admitting they have a biased umpire on their hands but from an outsider it just looked like they ignored there was even a problem there and let it get to the stage it did, instead of just being creative with the scheduling and getting him to umpire other matches instead. For them to completely dismiss a complaint from one of their cricket boards like it looks like they did is hilariously incompetent.

As per getting rid of Bucknor years ago, I doubt the BCCI even tried flexing their muscle like this with the ICC beforehand it was a doomsday scenario which caused this. As far as public bleating goes I see the people whinging about the whinging Indians being as bad as the Indians who were whinging about Bucknor in the first place.

 

[Top_Cat]

Exactly.

Point is, team India isn't unique. The Aussie team has been complaining for years about playing so much/scheduling and they get stitched-up at every turn (was given as an excuse for their dead-rubber losses for years). At some point, there's some HTFU therapy that some teams need to adopt.

For mine, the most hard-done-by team in world cricket for years has been the Saffies, especially with umpiring. They bleat a little then move on. The over-paid whiny crybabies who are members of teams like Australia and India could learn a bit from their attitude.

 

[duffer]

Exactly.


I've never defended Harbhajan or his racism. Or blamed Australia for complaining. Ever.

From what I recall the main issue with the Indian team then was that they felt there was not enough proof to hang a guy out to dry like that rather than complaining about the reaction to the Symonds abuse.

 

[silentstriker]

Point is, team India isn't unique. The Aussie team has been complaining for years about playing so much/scheduling and they get stitched-up at every turn (was given as an excuse for their dead-rubber losses for years). At some point, there's some HTFU therapy that some teams need to adopt.

Huh? That's a matter between the players and their own board. The Harbhajan situation is more apt. You think they shouldn't have said anything about Harbhajan? That would have been the wrong move, same as if India had done nothing.

 

[Nate]

For mine, the most hard-done-by team in world cricket for years has been the Saffies, especially with umpiring. They bleat a little then move on. The over-paid whiny crybabies who are members of teams like Australia and India could learn a bit from their attitude.

Christians ftw.

 

[silentstriker]

Oh, and all that still doesn't change the fact that Bucknor is crap on purely decision making over the last few years.