Role of rain in semi final line-up

[semi]

Halllo,
In a likely scenario, If Pakistan or Bangladesh end up with 11 points along wih New Zealand, NRR should be an unvalid criteria. All three teams are involved in abundnent matchen due to rain. In this case, the ICC next rule of league matche result should be taken as criteria of qualification. ICC need a meeting to apply ist rules correctly.
Otherwise the relavent abundent matches should be reorganzed before the semi finals.
Organizing a 'Super Day' at the end of the group stages or allocation of non equal points, for the abandoned games, based upon team performance in rest of their matches could alos be the options.
Not eliminating the role of rain in semi final line-up could leave serious disoppointment amoungs the fans of the teams for years to come, if not decades.
Sami

 

[Burgey]

Hi Sami

I’m tipping your team’s NRR isn’t much good is it?

 

[marc71178]

I think that's a brilliant idea. Would love to see SL playing Pakistan and Bangladesh simultaneously - would probably have to pick 2 slightly different teams and bat first in one whilst bowling first in the other.

Actually, since both games will be taking place in Bristol they really wouldn't need to worry about that, just have to use different pitches.

 

[Bahnz]

Why stop with Bangladesh and Pakistan playing simultaneously? Have all 4 games played on the same ground at the same time. New Zealand v India and South Africa v West Indies on one pitch (with the bowlers bowling simultaneously from different ends to avoid confusion) and Sri Lanka v Pakistan and Bangladesh on the other.

 

[marc71178]

Why stop with Bangladesh and Pakistan playing simultaneously? Have all 4 games played on the same ground at the same time. New Zealand v India and South Africa v West Indies on one pitch (with the bowlers bowling simultaneously from different ends to avoid confusion) and Sri Lanka v Pakistan and Bangladesh on the other.

Come on now, that’s clearly ludicrous as those games weren’t originally scheduled for Bristol.

 

[Bolo]

Why stop with Bangladesh and Pakistan playing simultaneously? Have all 4 games played on the same ground at the same time. New Zealand v India and South Africa v West Indies on one pitch (with the bowlers bowling simultaneously from different ends to avoid confusion) and Sri Lanka v Pakistan and Bangladesh on the other.

Using two pitches will allow an unfair advantage to some of the teams. I propose we play all 4 matches on the same pitch at the same time and just have a left right batting combination at each end.

 

[semi]

Any serious comments?

If teams ends up with equal points and are involved with abandoned games with different likelyhood of winning, applying NRR does not make sense

ICC should consider such options:
non equal points, for the abandoned games, based upon team performance in rest of their matches: For examle:

New Zealand v India (0.9 and 1.1 points)
West Indies v South Africa (0.9 and 1.1 points)
Pakistan v Sri Lanka (0.9 and 1.1 points)
Bangladesh v Sri Lanka (1.0 and 1.0 points)

Or Results oft he Leaguematches
Bangladesh end up with 11 points along wih New Zealand, New Zealand qualifys
Pakistan end up with 11 points along wih New Zealand, Pakistan qualifys

Or
Toss

 

[veganbob]

Nrr is a very fair system. Head to head is silly

 

[alexaston]

How about we only use NRR and ignore who’s winning and losing? After all winning by 1 run is just lucky isn’t it? ? This way every team would have something to play for in every match and Afghanistan could still qualify is they win by 500 runs

 

[aussie tragic]

If the semi's were decided on today's table, it would be Aus vs Eng and Ind vs NZ

If the semi's were decided by current ICC rankings it would be Eng vs Aus and Ind vs NZ

Should we just get rid of the table altogether and then NRR and most wins in cup are both irrelevant

 

[TheJediBrah]

How about we only use NRR and ignore who’s winning and losing? After all winning by 1 run is just lucky isn’t it? This way every team would have something to play for in every match and Afghanistan could still qualify is they win by 500 runs

Would actually be a pretty fair system, and means that every game is alive at every stage regardless of how badly you are losing an individual game

If the semi's were decided on today's table, it would be Aus vs Eng and Ind vs NZ

If the semi's were decided by current ICC rankings it would be Eng vs Aus and Ind vs NZ

Should we just get rid of the table altogether and then NRR and most wins in cup are both irrelevant

Save even that trouble. Just go by past results and roll a dice. Since Aus have won 4 of the last 5 World Cups, if the dice lands on 1, 2, 3 or 4 then award Aus the WC, if it lands of 5 give it to India (who won 2011). 6 is a re-roll.

 

[aussie tragic]

^Only using NRR would still have same top 4 of Aus, Eng, Ind, NZ lol

 

[stephen]

Would actually be a pretty fair system, and means that every game is alive at every stage regardless of how badly you are losing an individual game


Save even that trouble. Just go by past results and roll a dice. Since Aus have won 4 of the last 5 World Cups, if the dice lands on 1, 2, 3 or 4 then award Aus the WC, if it lands of 5 give it to India (who won 2011). 6 is a re-roll.

Nah, 6 would be Sri Lanka. 1996 wasn't that long ago. Sure, the Macarena was the latest fad, Clinton was still chasing tail in the white house and most people had a phone that you actually had to dial and not just push buttons on, but it wasn't that long ago.

 

[TheJediBrah]

nah 20 years is the limit. Can't give any credence to a result from 1996 let's be serious

 

[alexaston]

nah 20 years is the limit. Can't give any credence to a result from 1996 let's be serious

Not even 20 years. I don’t think there are any players in this World Cup that we’re playing 20 years ago. I think Tendulka was the last to play that long?
However Venus and Serena were starting to make their marks in the tennis world 20 years ago.

 

[sledger]

One of the more interesting characters from the Mortal Kombat lore for sure.

 

[mr_mister]

Not even 20 years. I don’t think there are any players in this World Cup that we’re playing 20 years ago. I think Tendulka was the last to play that long?
However Venus and Serena were starting to make their marks in the tennis world 20 years ago.

Malik debuted in '99, not sure how close he was to the WC squad

 

[semi]

Well, NRR is a very fair system. But the point is, when abandoned games are involved with different likelihood of NRR gains, it cam not be valid any more. ICC next rule after NRR, is results of league match, should move up in application.

Concept like considering NRR and ignore winning or losing almost does not exist in any sport. Winning the games by crossing the finishing line, involves a crutial factor of mental strength. Such a concept is way to far to be accepted.

 

[srbhkshk]

Or
Toss

Believes Net Run Rate is not fair.

Suggests Toss as alternative.

 

[Bahnz]

Well, NRR is a very fair system. But the point is, when abandoned games are involved with different likelihood of NRR gains, it cam not be valid any more. ICC next rule after NRR, is results of league match, should move up in application.

Concept like considering NRR and ignore winning or losing almost does not exist in any sport. Winning the games by crossing the finishing line, involves a crutial factor of mental strength. Such a concept is way to far to be accepted.

Yes it does. Goals for and against is a pretty direct analogy in football (and Rugby, and Hockey and pretty much any points based sport), and in the case of the last FIFA World Cup, goal difference is the first tie-breaker applied if two teams finish on an equal number of points.