Ricky Ponting overtakes Allan Border

[Streetwise]

I doubt it, I reckon he'd have averaged moreorless exactly what he does now. Pietersen is not especially good at cashing-in when the going is easy. He generally tends to peform equally well against good and bad bowling.

Thanks, I understand a bit more about you now.

 

[Richard]

Seriously, if that is to be taken as true, that would mean that he has a terrible temperament problem. Can do it when the going is tough but throws it away when the going is easy.

Yeah, it's one of the biggest things that's held him back, IMO.

 

[Richard]

No, good bowling won't get significantly better under helpful conditions but bad bowling significantly gets better under those conditions.

That's moreorless what I'm saying, so I'm not sure what the "no" is for. Because of the fact that lesser-quality bowling is much more dangerous under the right conditions than the wrong ones, more regular bowler-friendly conditions will mean more regular threatening bowling. And in Pietersen's case, he is about as likely to make something significant when the bowling is challenging as when it's not.

 

[Richard]

Thanks, I understand a bit more about you now.

I'm not sure you do really, because there were no character revelations from me whatsoever in that post.

 

[Pigeon]

That's moreorless what I'm saying, so I'm not sure what the "no" is for. Because of the fact that lesser-quality bowling is much more dangerous under the right conditions than the wrong ones, more regular bowler-friendly conditions will mean more regular threatening bowling. And in Pietersen's case, he is about as likely to make something significant when the bowling is challenging as when it's not.

No.

 

[Streetwise]

I'm not sure you do really, because there were no character revelations from me whatsoever in that post.

I'm happy to leave the discussion there.

 

[Pratters]

You gave your opinions, you did not give any facts. IMO it did reveal a bit about your character.

This is a borderline ad hominem argument. No need to get personal. Leave it out of the forums please.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

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[Ikki]

LOL, Smitteh, admittedly, on the money there.

 

[Pigeon]

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[Richard]

You gave your opinions, you did not give any facts. IMO it did reveal a bit about your character.

Yeah, that I give my opinions when I post posts. Shock-horror!

 

[Streetwise]

Yeah, that I give my opinions when I post posts. Shock-horror!

It was just funny to see you post that Pietersen would average the same but Ponting would drop 15-25 runs and you reasoning behind it. I'm sorry but I just thought it just about sums up the effect Ponting has on the poms.

 

[GIMH]

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[sledger]

The STFU bit made me lol the most.

 

[MrIncredible]

It was just funny to see you post that Pietersen would average the same but Ponting would drop 15-25 runs and you reasoning behind it. I'm sorry but I just thought it just about sums up the effect Ponting has on the poms.

No i think Richard has a point. Bowling certainly fell off in around 2001-02 (except for Australia). Lets put things in perspective people. And i can only speak of his experience vs the WI. Up to 2000 Ponting was averaging 40 something vs us (thanks to an attack incl Walsh and Ambrose). He faced us again at home in 03 and scored 600 runs + in 3 tests and in 06 he cashed in again incl twin centuries in the 1st test. Who here in their right mind actually thinks Ponting would have made those pile of runs vs Walsh/Ambrose when nobody b4 Ponting ever has?? Seriously??!! Same goes for his experience vs RSA and Pakistan.

 

[Streetwise]

No i think Richard has a point. Bowling certainly fell off in around 2001-02 (except for Australia). Lets put things in perspective people. And i can only speak of his experience vs the WI. Up to 2000 Ponting was averaging 40 something vs us (thanks to an attack incl Walsh and Ambrose). He faced us again at home in 03 and scored 600 runs + in 3 tests and in 06 he cashed in again incl twin centuries in the 1st test. Who here in their right mind actually thinks Ponting would have made those pile of runs vs Walsh/Ambrose when nobody b4 Ponting ever has?? Seriously??!! Same goes for his experience vs RSA and Pakistan.

According to Richard Pietersen would have maintained his average of around 60 against the West Indies, well actually thats not quite true he thinks because the bowling would be better Pietersen would have done even better.

 

[MrIncredible]

Well Pietersen is a funny case. He made runs vs McWarne home and away so its atleast conceivable that he would make runs vs WI with Amby and Walsh. I certainly dont think he would dominate them the way he does with this sorry excuse for a cricket attack (WI bowlers). Dont get me wrong i would expect Ponting to have his moments vs Amby/Walsh (he certainly did early in his career ex: 104 in Bridgetown in 99) but he's not goin to score twin hundreds or 600 + runs in 3 tests like he did against the 3rd rate WI attacks he faced post 2001.

 

[Streetwise]

No i think Richard has a point. Bowling certainly fell off in around 2001-02 (except for Australia). Lets put things in perspective people. And i can only speak of his experience vs the WI. Up to 2000 Ponting was averaging 40 something vs us (thanks to an attack incl Walsh and Ambrose). He faced us again at home in 03 and scored 600 runs + in 3 tests and in 06 he cashed in again incl twin centuries in the 1st test. Who here in their right mind actually thinks Ponting would have made those pile of runs vs Walsh/Ambrose when nobody b4 Ponting ever has?? Seriously??!! Same goes for his experience vs RSA and Pakistan.

Ponting matured a lot the more he played so it is quite reasonable to assume he would have played better against Walsh/Ambrose the second time around considering he was older and more experienced. But all that aside you are talking in "IFS". "if" he did this, "if" he did that which is all a heap of bollocks because you can only judge a player on what he "HAS" done. Its a pretty small mind that looks to "Ifs" for its arguement.

 

[Streetwise]

Well Pietersen is a funny case. He made runs vs McWarne home and away so its atleast conceivable that he would make runs vs WI with Amby and Walsh. I certainly dont think he would dominate them the way he does with this sorry excuse for a cricket attack (WI bowlers). Dont get me wrong i would expect Ponting to have his moments vs Amby/Walsh (he certainly did early in his career ex: 104 in Bridgetown in 99) but he's not goin to score twin hundreds or 600 + runs in 3 tests like he did against the 3rd rate WI attacks he faced post 2001.

And Ponting thrashed Shoiab Ahktar who was the fastest bowler in the world, he also thrashed Donald, Pollock and gave Murali a bath so it is even more conceivable he would have done extremely well against any bowler.

 

[MrIncredible]

Ponting never thrashed ne RSA attack where Donald was playing I dont know what u been smoking. Also thrashing Ahktar is nothing special he is not remotely in the class of Ambrose, Donald et al. Its just common sense Street. Ponting is not unique either. b4 2001 Lara averaged 30 odd vs WW and Donald but post 2001 his av vs Pak/Rsa shot up. Same goes for Tendy vs the said teams (also see Kallis and Yousuff pre and post 2001 +). Y? Because the great bowlers were no longer around to contain them, boundaries were brought in and pitches (over time) flattened out.