Overrated, over-indulged and overpaid

[Flem274*]

It makes some interesting points but I think the true reason for their decline is predominantly just that Australia don't have as good players as they had before.

I personally think a lot of the Aussie brow-furrowing comes from success breeding a feeling of entitlment to further success and the habits of successful teams being held up as models for others to aspire to, when in reality it's largely a cyclical thing.

Australia have been very good for a very long time and are now coming back to the pack and everyone with a vested interest, be they fan, coach, player or national selector wants to know why. But look at the team they replaced as the unquestioned number one, the West Indies; did Australia seek to ape the Windies model? No. They did things largely as they always have and a golden generation (or two) saw them sweep all in their wake. Now the same blueprint is being adhered to without the same success (the article's talk of promotion of players without them having paid their Sheffield Shield dues ignores the inconvenient truth that McGrath, Warne, Ponting and Clarke made their test debuts after a handful of FC games and it didn't exactly harm them, etc) and naturally people want to know what's wrong with the system. Not too much I would say but, as Ian McCulloch observes, nothing ever lasts forever.

Did chuckle at this from nugget Craddock tho:

"Nathan Hauritz has done splendidly to resurrect his career and his earnings now push $1 million a year.

That's around three times as much as the Prime Minister, who might claim she puts more spin on her deliveries."

AWTA. Nail. Head, etc

With the way the fans are butchering them, you'd think Australia had only four test standard players like a certain side currently touring India.

 

[Spark]

Think it's a rubbish article, not only does it waste time harping on about complete irrelevancies (what does popularity have to do with runs and wickets?), it also makes some glaring oversights as point out by BB.

 

[Uppercut]

Don't think you can say that with any certainty though. Khawaja might come in and be sensational at Test level. or he might not. I think at the moment we need a few inspired selections along with the selectors sticking with players they think will make it at this level. That's what we had in the early 90's when McGrath and Warne were unearthed as very good players at test level. And S.Waugh was persisted with in the mid to late 80's and we all know how he turned out.

I don't think the selectors need to panic and start making massive changes, but the willingness needs to be there to make some decisions that will possibly benefit the team in the long run. I don't see the point in sticking with blokes who are in their mid-30's hoping they come good, you're simply not going to get the service out of them if they do anyway. It's a lot different to S.Waugh, who was persisted with for 3-4 years and then went on to play very well for another 10.

Yeah, I mean it's a bigger mistake not picking Khawaja than I made it sound, but the point was that if naming reasons for the Aussie decline it's not really worth mentioning. Losing so many top-class players so quickly pretty much just dwarfs every other factor anyone might mention.

Brumby's post was excellent, put it into words much better than I could.

 

[Uppercut]

Then you have Hughes who is undoubtedly the best young player in the world

You what

The best young player in the world, obviously, clearly and somewhat unfortunately, is Mohammad Aamer.

 

[blahblahblah]

i guess this one got some good response by ca

Cricket Australia cuts player pool payments this summer

 

[Jono]

Some players will appreciate the IPL I reckon

 

[blahblahblah]

Some players will appreciate the IPL I reckon

surely if the country isnt providing thema dequate oppurtunities and incentives


there are many side returns of ipl too

 

[vcs]

There are many contenders for best young player in the world.. Kane Williamson, Pujara etc.

 

[Uppercut]

There are many contenders for best young player in the world.. Kane Williamson, Pujara etc.

Nah it's just Mohammad Aamer. Has more quality in his overstepping front foot than Williamson and Pujara combined.

 

[Jono]

Meh, Aamer's not a cricketer anymore.

 

[blahblahblah]

Meh, Aamer's not a cricketer anymore.

i really feel sad for such a great talent going waste

 

[vcs]

Meh, Aamer's not a cricketer anymore.

Yeah, don't give a **** about him anymore even if he was Marshall reincarnated.

And Uppercut, I don't think you can dismiss the others' talents just because they haven't played enough.

 

[Uppercut]

I'm not being dismissive, I really rate both players you mentioned. Aamer, if he counts, is just unequivocally much better.

 

[vcs]

I really don't see how anyone could say that on the basis of the one match we've seen them play. If you said, Williamson and Pujara don't qualify on the basis that we haven't seen enough of them, I'd agree, but saying they just aren't as talented as Aamer, sorry I don't think we've got enough evidence for that statement.

 

[Jarquis]

I'm not being dismissive, I really rate both players you mentioned. Aamer, if he counts, is just unequivocally much better.

Do you reckon he's got it in him to become a great bowler if given the chance?

 

[Uppercut]

Do you reckon he's got it in him to become a great bowler if given the chance?

Well during the summer he was already comfortably bowling to an absolutely world-class standard. Becoming an all-time great would pretty much have depended on for how long and how consistently he could maintain the standard he was already at.

Think the ship has sailed now though. A triumphant comeback seems pretty unlikely.

 

[Jarquis]

Well during the summer he was already comfortably bowling to an absolutely world-class standard. Becoming an all-time great would pretty much have depended on for how long and how consistently he could maintain the standard he was already at.

Think the ship has sailed now though. A triumphant comeback seems pretty unlikely.

Aye, just curious because of our "Long-term bet"

 

[MW1304]

Terrible article. I agree with what someone said before, think this is just the media trying out there own "can't bat, can't bowl, can't field" melarkey in a desperate attempt to help Australia win.

 

[pasag]

Not a huge fan of this kicking the horse when it's down business currently going on.

The headline quite apt for the selectors, though.

 

[Faisal1985]

I liked the point made for Cameron White. To me he should certainly be given a chance.