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*Official* South Africa in England Thread

Mr Mxyzptlk

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4D cricket isn't Test cricket. He could've played all the 4D cricket in the world and may still have struggled to fit back into Test cricket. It's an adjustment period. Besides, I'm doubtful that Kirtley would've have made any greater an impact...
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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A wicket finally. It's England's top spinner - Michael Vaughan.

BTW to all those who predicted Gibbs to be a flop, 179 off 236 isn't exactly the start you were looking for ey?
 

Rik

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Mr Mxyzptlk said:
That's very unfair. Give him a decent chance - everyone has lackluster days - before you start slagging him off.
Look Liam, this isn't just a lackluster day, there is something seriously not right with Gough. For someone with 220+ Test Wickets he hasn't even got close to creating a chance. He's got no "zip", he's bowling both sides of the wicket, his trajectory is just letting the batsmen drive most deliveries without worrying about edging it. You can make your own judgements from Cricinfo, and what you feel is happening, I'm not saying you can't, but to make a correct judgement on Gough you have to see him bowling live.
 

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
A wicket finally. It's England's top spinner - Michael Vaughan.
Yeah he's outbowling Giles (ok that's not hard, but still), he's bowling a beutiful line and length and is getting some real turn on occasions. Add to that the over he got Gibbs out he really thought about, totally out-thought Gibbs who then played the rash shot and got out.
 

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
4D cricket isn't Test cricket. He could've played all the 4D cricket in the world and may still have struggled to fit back into Test cricket. It's an adjustment period.


To be fair Gough hasn't even impressed much in the games for Yorkshire. England took a punt on him and it's not come off.


Besides, I'm doubtful that Kirtley would've have made any greater an impact...
You haven't seen Anderson, Gough, Harmison bowl today have you? Even Flintoff who was slightly accurate didn't pose many problems with his bang it in approach. I'm sure Kirtley couldn't have done much worse.

You really don't seem to realise how badly England have bowled today do you? At one point there was a gap of 23 overs between maidens, there has been no pressure. The current score of 355-1 doesn't flatter them at all.
 
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marc71178

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From what I heard on the radio and TV (not a lot I'm afraid), Flintoff was the pick today, and Harmison next of the quicks.

They all wanted more from Butcher, and I assume that McGrath is injured?

All in all a shocker, but if they can get all the bad efforts out of the way in one day, then hopefully they can get back on track?

Interestingly Vic Marks noticed Anderson labouring after the first over of the game - maybe he has an injury?

And how bad is Trescothick's finger?
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Rik said:
You really don't seem to realise how badly England have bowled today do you? At one point there was a gap of 23 overs between maidens, there has been no pressure. The current score of 355-1 doesn't flatter them at all. [/B]
No matter how badly England bowled, the fact remains that it's one day of cricket and for Gough it's his first day of Test cricket in over a year.
 

V Reddy

International Debutant
marc71178 said:
From what I heard on the radio and TV (not a lot I'm afraid), Flintoff was the pick today, and Harmison next of the quicks.

They all wanted more from Butcher, and I assume that McGrath is injured?

All in all a shocker, but if they can get all the bad efforts out of the way in one day, then hopefully they can get back on track?

Interestingly Vic Marks noticed Anderson labouring after the first over of the game - maybe he has an injury?

And how bad is Trescothick's finger?
I think only Trescothick is injured. Anderson bowled quite a few overs after that. Maybe when one's team has a really bad day he tends to notice all the small things thru a microscope :P . BTW, how bad is Trescothick's injury? Will he able to open tommorow?

I think Eng will lose this match if the rain doesn't wash out more than a day's play.
 

V Reddy

International Debutant
Yeah good to see him scoring a century after the criticism he received here and in other media :)
 

luckyeddie

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Trescothick has a break in a finger, Anderson's problem is that he has not sorted his approach out since the ODI's and has frequently gone into the exclusion zone, receiving one official warning (and is clearly trying the patience of Venkat). He MUST sort this out pronto.

I actually think that Giles has bowled quite well. He was certainly robbed of a plumb lbw (arm ball, would have hit half way up middle) and didn't get flustered when he was getting a lot of tap.

Butcher swung the ball miles when he pitched it a foot outside off, but when it was aimed towards middle and leg the ball refused to move (except towards the ropes).

Flintoff and Harmison did well in patches, but Gough and Anderson were woeful. Ah well, tomorrow's another (wet probably) day.

The fielding was exceptional for the first three hours then went badly downhill as concentration (presumably) wandered.

All in all, a fantastic exhibition of stroke play today. Well done Gibbs, well done Smith (don't listen to the duck).
 

marc71178

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Vish - Marks mentioned this after the first over of the match, and England hadn't done too badly by that point!
 

Neil Pickup

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England put to the Sword - my take on the day..

http://www.cricketweb.net/articles/EpVAplEZuZlVoZkgBQ.shtml

A magnificent opening partnership of 338 between Herschelle Gibbs and Graeme Smith put the South Africans firmly in the box seat on a placid Edgbaston pitch on day one of the First Test.

For the five-test npower Series at Birmingham's Edgbaston ground, England picked the eleven that was expected of them, with James Kirtley taking another step closer to Andy Bichel's record of twelfth-man appearances. South Africa sprung a surprise when they opted to replace Jacques Kallis - back home in Cape Town mourning his father, Henry - with left-arm swing bowler Charl Willoughby, leaving them with just five specialist batsmen, whilst Neil McKenzie missed out for Boeta Dippenaar.

Proteas skipper Graeme Smith won the toss and elected to bat - hardly a surprise, given that the wicket offered was about as welcoming to the bowlers as Smith would find a Klusener family get-together. James Anderson and Darren Gough, taking the new ball, struggled to hit the right line and length, and sadly for England this set a tone for the rest of the day.

Herschelle Gibbs, watchful at first, took 25 balls to get off the mark before pulling Gough through mid-wicket for three. The final latch had been removed and the floodgates well and truly burst open. From hereon in, there was nothing that the English attack could do to stem the flow of runs. Anderson was the worst offender, going at six runs an over.

The only ray of light in a morning session that saw the South Africans rack up 100 exactly was Andy Flintoff, going around the wicket, and making Smith look distincly uncomfortable. Alec Stewart thought that he'd been caught behind with the score at 73/0 but umpire Harper wasn't in agreement. Steve Harmison caused some initial problems with the extra bounce that he extracts from 6'5" and hit 94.1mph, but akin to the rest of the attack, didn't look like breaking through.

Ashley Giles was the sole Englishman who exerted any control in the afternoon, but even he couldn't stop the flow of runs (sorry if this is getting a touch formulaic and repetitive, but there was little more to the day than runs, runs and more runs...) as first Gibbs brought up his first ton against England with a rasping square cut and then Smith lofted Giles over mid on for his century. In the midst of this carnage, one Gough over had gone for 17 with Gibbs pulling him for six over mid wicket off the front foot...

The afternoon was also marked by three missed catches. James Anderson was the first offender, dropping Gibbs one-handed after the batsman popped a return catch high and to his left. Gibbs was also the recipient off good fortune twice more, Michael Vaughan failing to hang on at point and Steve Harmison unable to get down to a difficult caught and bowled chance. Harmison also displayed a spectacular misfield, failing to get his hands within six inches of a Graeme Smith off drive through his legs.

At tea, the visitors were an incredible 265/0, breaking the South African record for opening partnerships against England (260 by B Mitchell and IJ Siedle in Cape Town 1930/31) and Gibbs in particular showed no sign of relenting in the evening session. Smith was incredibly luckyto escape a strong LBW shout when Giles deceived him with an arm-ball. Unfortunately he also deceived Umpire Harper and with the score at 301, the captain got off the hook.

Part-time offspinner Michael Vaughan was bowling by the time Gibbs (179, 236b, 29x4, 1x6) went for one big shot too many and was caught by Mark Butcher on the mid-wicket boundary with the score on 338.

This partnership made Smith and Gibbs the first pair in test history to make two 300+ opening partnerships, with A Melville and AD Nourse's 1947 Trent Bridge partnership of 319 being usurped as the highest South African partnership against England, as well as breaking Geoff Marsh and Mark Taylor's 329 at that same ground in 1989 as the highest opening stand against England. The wicket brought Gary Kirsten (26*) to the crease, and alongside Gibbs (178*, 257b, 25x4), these two 'survived' until close, with the score at 398/1.

Marcus Trescothick was an English casualty of the day, fracturing his right index finger stopping an edge on the bounce from Gibbs off a Steve Harmison slower ball at slip, which resulted in Kent's James Tredwell fielding for most of the day. Yet all is not lost for England, on a pitch with about as much life as there is between Neil Carter's ears and against a South African bowling attack sorely lacking in depth (Pollock and Ntini backed up by... Pretorius, Peterson and Willoughby), coupled to a forecast for regular rainfall over the next few days, the smart money's on a draw.

South Africa 398/1 (HH Gibbs 179, GC Smith 178*)
 

Rich2001

International Captain
vishnureddy said:
I think Eng will lose this match if the rain doesn't wash out more than a day's play.
Remember the pitch is a batting track (slow, not a great deal of movement and lighting outfield) so until England have actually batted you can't really conculde anything, they could easily rack up 500 runs as well and play out a draw.

And the South African bowling attack is hardly that scary (no doubt we will be destoryed now :rolleyes: )
 
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Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
Nice try guys but I can only see this as being a draw due to rain or South Africa really lifted now by the scoreline and coming out fired up & taking wickets.

I can't believe people here are saying Pollock will be non-effective in this series. I still think he is a World Class bowler and he still does have the ability to draw a batsman in a false shot often.
 

luckyeddie

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Tim said:
Nice try guys but I can only see this as being a draw due to rain or South Africa really lifted now by the scoreline and coming out fired up & taking wickets.

I can't believe people here are saying Pollock will be non-effective in this series. I still think he is a World Class bowler and he still does have the ability to draw a batsman in a false shot often.
Who's claiming that Pollock will be ineffective? (just been through the last couple of pages and maybe missed it).

The guy is class, his dad was class, his uncle was class and I'm just off to fill a glass.
 

Rich2001

International Captain
marc71178 said:
and I assume that McGrath is injured?
I read that he was hit on his hand in the nets yesterday, but can't see that stopping him bowling, as if it was that bad he would never have played in the first place.

Tim said:
Nice try guys but I can only see this as being a draw due to rain or South Africa really lifted now by the scoreline and coming out fired up & taking wickets.
I didn't relize anyone has pridected a England win have they?
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
No, no one has..but a couple of people have seemed fairly optimistic that England will survive South Africa's bowling attack.

I beg to differ.
 

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