Prince EWS
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The difference between them though is that Johnson still seems to take lots of wickets even when he appears to be bowling rubbish.
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*Official* Road to the 2010/11 Ashes
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flibbertyjibber
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24 wickets in his last 7 tests @ 37 suggests that isn't always correct.When you consider in there is a match when he got 10 then he is becoming more and more Harmisonesque.
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Jayzamann
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What does that mean?
Howe_zat
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You burned him. You took a blowtorch, straddled him, pinned him down and seared the flesh from his bones.
Howe_zat
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In other news, Warnie's having nightmares.
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Jayzamann
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Urban Dictionary: Burn
The more intentionally mis-spelled the word is, the more intense the burnage. It can get pretty ridiculous.
tooextracool
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Took more wickets than all of the England bowlers in the last Ashes series while sending down tripe that has yet to be matched by anyone in a baggy green.
Prince EWS
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Haha true, but he wasn't what you'd call effective. Still averaged high 30s IIRC. The real Mitchell Johnson takes wickets at 30 odd while appearing to bowl rubbish.
tooextracool
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Prince EWS
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Haha that astounds me. Was under the impression that he'd finally finished a tour with an average that reflected what he appeared to be bowling. Maybe I factored the games against Pakistan into that or something; I know he was bad in those.
Prince EWS
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Code:
SL Home 07/08 2 8 30.12
Ind Home 07/08 4 16 33.12
WI Away 2008 3 10 34.70
Ind Away 08/09 4 13 40.07
NZ Home 08/09 2 14 11.00
SA Home 08/09 3 17 25.88
SA Away 08/09 3 16 25.00
Eng Away 2009 5 20 32.55
WI Home 09/10 3 17 28.08
Pak Home 09/10 3 12 25.66
NZ Away 09/10 2 12 23.08
Pak Neut 2010 2 3 72.33
Ind Away 10/11 2 8 32.62He often looks like he's bowling dross but it's only cost him in one series.
tooextracool
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Well my thoughts on Johnson are well documented. I think its somewhat unfortunate, but statisticians and future generations of CW'ers will look upon him with rose-tinted glasses and consider him to be a far better bowler than he actually is.
Prince EWS
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I think you under-rate him because he doesn't really make sense. I can see where you're coming from; I've been there. Eventually though you just have to realise that it's happened for so long that it can't be a fluke. Bowling is about taking cheap wickets and he does that better than most, even if he looks rubbish 80% of the time.
tooextracool
International Coach
He's taken a lot of wickets with just the fact that he's unusual and few batsmen have seen anything like him during their careers. A slingy, left handed bowler who slides it across the right handed batsman from over the wicket at a rapid pace.
However, i refuse to give someone credit just because he's unusual. Sorry, Murali was unusual but he bowled accurately and had a lot of skills and nuances that he developed over time. Johnson cant land 2 balls in the same vicinity, he doesn't get the ball to swing, his seam position is ordinary. Does he bowl well? No. Does he take wickets? Yes. You cant expect me to believe hes a good test match bowler simply because he has a well disguised slower ball.
Prince EWS
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I expect you to believe he's a good Test match bowler because he takes cheap Test wickets. How he does it is frankly immaterial.
tooextracool
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I'd prefer to call him an effective test match bowler rather than a good one. You cant be a good bowler if you dont bowl well.
Sorry but that's nonsense
The guy has taken about 130 test wickets in the last 2 years and literally EVERYBODY knows what he bowls so either:
a. he is much better than you give him credit for; or
b. the world's major test nations (notice how his record isnt padded) have a heap of absolutely ****e batsmen including one Rahul Dravid