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**Official** India v Pakistan

biased indian

International Coach
Pratyush said:
How the hell did b.i. get 7 a game :blink:
i was reffering to the stats provided by deeps to which marc was reffering also

Tendulkar has bowled in that time, 348.5 overs in comparison to 660.5 off kallis. intheir last 100 games

so i divided 660/100 and just rounded it to nearest integer :)
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
biased indian said:
i was reffering to the stats provided by deeps to which marc was reffering also

Tendulkar has bowled in that time, 348.5 overs in comparison to 660.5 off kallis. intheir last 100 games

so i divided 660/100 and just rounded it to nearest integer :)
Last 100 isnt exactly recent games.

We were talking whether Kallis is STILL a world class all rounder.
 

deeps

International 12th Man
i picked last 100 games, so that it wasn't too far into the past, but enough sample space as well. Perhaps i should have picked 50.. neway, screw it
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
marc71178 said:
Except he isn't bowling 7 a game.

2005 - just over 4 a game, 3 wickets @ 61.66, eco of 6.34
2004 - just over 4 a game, 11 wickets @ 39.63, eco of 5.45
2003 - about 7 a game, 14 wickets @ 43.42, eco of 5.15

That's not an all-rounder's numbers.
Winner!

Would you like the large stuffed animal or novelty pencil?
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Unattainableguy said:
And that has been said everytime India has lost a series or a tournament. :D
What exactly is wrong about a fan believing that his team would be on the right track after a series defeat?
 

JustTool

State 12th Man
marc71178 said:
When he feels like it that is.

When he doesn't fancy bowling, it's just coincidental that the batsmen are good players, but when the Zimbabwe games come along, suddenly his mysterious ailment which meant he couldn't bowl has cleared up!
Good observation. As a spate of recent articles in the India press show, the bulk of Indian cricketrs are playing for 'self' rather that 'team'. The more money they make the less they are 'team' and more 'self'.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
JustTool said:
Good observation. As a spate of recent articles in the India press show, the bulk of Indian cricketrs are playing for 'self' rather that 'team'. The more money they make the less they are 'team' and more 'self'.
Ah... you do know he was talking about Kallis? :wacko:
 

dudeurfriend

School Boy/Girl Captain
well players are not playing for themselves just tool.... It is because Indian team lacked in some good planning and also they were not palying with the right frame of mind.....
 

JustTool

State 12th Man
Bob Woolmer's interview - excerpts

Excerpt from Bob Woolmer's interview:

Checked players’ hearts for a fight. There is an Australian saying that says ‘Fit In or F*** O**’. There is no place for self-proclaimed superstars. But there is place for the real superstars: Naved Ul Hasan is a super star; Shoaib Malik is a superstar.


• What do India lack in one-day cricket?

First, a genuine all-rounder. Sehwag, Tendulkar, Mongia and Yuvraj are not genuine all-rounders. You cannot have them as an integral part of your one-day game plan. In fact, from the outside looking in, India need a stricter game plan.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
dudeurfriend said:
well players are not playing for themselves just tool.... It is because Indian team lacked in some good planning and also they were not palying with the right frame of mind.....
And because Pakistan are currently a better ODI side than INdia, hands down.
 

JustTool

State 12th Man
dudeurfriend said:
well players are not playing for themselves just tool.... It is because Indian team lacked in some good planning and also they were not palying with the right frame of mind.....
Agreed.
But maybe because they are not as focussed on cricket - being rewarded with endorsments, huge crowds and lot of money - even though they are 4th from the bottom :wacko:

Look at this BB - no Indian wants to be critical and have them own up for the failure. Everyone is making excuses and even advocating Tendulkar as an all rounder - this, when his batting has been MIA in EVERY pressure situation.
 

dudeurfriend

School Boy/Girl Captain
Well that seems to be right.... BCCI is also aiming only to mine money, that is why the palyers are alsomore intrested in doing so...... One more thing to be noticed is that Indian batting order must be quite flexible... They should try more experimentation.... atlest in shorter version of game
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
dudeurfriend said:
They should try more experimentation.... atlest in shorter version of game
Bwaah?

If anything, the Indian team needs some solidarity to it. No chopping and changing.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
India have basically played with the same batting line up for 3 to 4 years now..... Enough is enough and it is time for a change. [/OWEN HART]
 

dudeurfriend

School Boy/Girl Captain
So solidarity if suppose the batting order may be like this...
Sehwag
Ganguly
Kaif
Sachin
Yuvraj
Dravid
Dhoni

This is in the shorter version of game.....
 

JustTool

State 12th Man
honestbharani said:
India have basically played with the same batting line up for 3 to 4 years now..... Enough is enough and it is time for a change. [/OWEN HART]
Yes, yes. Significant change. Murali Kartick should have been properly developed - but he wasn't Ganguly's favorite like Yovraj.

Time to bring in new faces; the messgae should be clear. Be a team player or ship out. Too many failures; too bad. Our of form - rest after a few tries. Perform or be dropped. Forget this regional selection crap. Look at Ganguly - he is busy working with Dalmiya and BCCI to fight his ban. Should that be his, and Indian cricket's highest priority?

What about the inexplicable selection of Rohan Gavaskar at one time - over many other stellar performers.

I am so tired of listening to people waxing eloquent every time Tendulkar plays a forward defensive shot I want to puke :wacko:
 

JustTool

State 12th Man
Javed Miandad article on Indian Cricket fiasco

India missing that selfless spirit

Can’t afford selifsh players in the team if it wants to move ahead

Javed Miandad


Clearly India’s one-day cricket has gone to pieces. The tag of World Cup finalists has rarely been so ill-deserved. Now they have players who are playing only for themselves. There is so much uncertainty that Pathans, Gangulys, Harbhajans, Kumbles and Agarkars all look to be emerging from a revolving door.
India will have to start from the scratch. They have to be honest and ask themselves if they can afford selfish players. Such men might survive to play the next match but Indian team would not move an inch forward. By now, it is such a bedraggled unit that even form batsmen are losing their plots.

Virender Sehwag is now trying to play a mixed game of attack and defence. It would never carry him forward for he doesn’t have the technique of a defensive batsman. In Pakistan last year, as well as in early part of the this tour, he was smashing hits in cover-to-third man region. Now he was trying to play grounded shots. Consequently, with rolled down wrists the catches are going into the hands of fielders.

The second in-form batsman Rahul Dravid too showed the pressure. There was no reason for him to go for that run. A premier batsman should never open himself to a situation where a decision on his run-out is being judged by the third umpire. It implies that a decision is too close for comfort. His was the most valuable wicket and he risked a perfectly avoidable situation. Yuvraj, too, was an unnecessary waste. It reflected the team’s state of mind.

Ashish Nehra, after that splendid first-up delivery to Shahid Afridi bowled a few freebies down the legside. This team’s confidence is completely dried up. If a team, from being 2-0 up, goes on to lose the series, it means drastic measures can no longer be avoided.

Pakistan on the other hand were so sure of their combination and ability. If you trust the next man, automatically you perform a notch higher than your ability. It showed in the way Rana Naved-ul Hasan bowled. He is not superior to India’s Nehras and Zaheers but he is now confident since he has had success against your batsmen.

Sachin Tendulkar, after that carefree hundred in Ahmedabad, is back to his cautious ways. It is never going to help team and sooner than later, he would be open to scrutiny by the public.

Pakistan’s batting worked so well in tandem despite two atrocious umpiring decisions. I just couldn’t believe when Yousuf Youhana was given out. I really thought the umpire had pressed the wrong button. They batted with confidence and it was this ingredient which was reflected in two run-outs they managed in the field.

On hindsight, Pakistan’s saving of the Mohali Test was the defining moment of the sereies. Two irregular batsmen showed the rest if they could do it in a losing cause, the others too could pull their weight in days ahead. As the series progressed, Pakistan kept drawing confidence from that singular moment of defiance.

It is instructive for India to remember they couldn’t beat a side which was without their star striker Shoaib Akhtar. The rest of the bowlers were not better than your Kumbles and Harbhajans, Balajis and Pathans. But by the end, the lapses of the rest proved too much to bear even for them. Inzamam-ul Haq now goes back home with his stature enhanced. To overcome deficit in Tests and one-dayers, team bonding played a critical part.

India missed that selfless spirit in their ranks. Now they need to identify a pool of 20-30 cricketers and start to look finetune a stuttering engine. They must also need to rotate their men. It is the only way to stir a few settled men out of their slumber.

At Kotla, it was return of that sickening feeling when a section of crowd held up the play. One felt frustrated and helpless: two top leaders of the two countries in attendance, scores of celebrities and dignitaries, packed stands, a glorious finale all but accomplished.

Then some stupids got into the act. They didn’t appreciate the moment and let down whole of India. If they were unhappy with the team, they chose the wrong way. Improve your team rather than bark at the wrong tree. (PTI)
 

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