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***Official*** India in Pakistan

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
This may have been asked once before, but is the Indian team missing Balaji? He's got a reasonably good record against the Pakistanis, and has taken five wickets in an innings against them, pushing them on the back foot in Mohali. He's a very good change bowler, and can provide good support to the strike seamers. Of course, there's the perennial problem of lack of pace.
 

Mecnun

U19 Debutant
Arjun said:
This may have been asked once before, but is the Indian team missing Balaji? He's got a reasonably good record against the Pakistanis, and has taken five wickets in an innings against them, pushing them on the back foot in Mohali. He's a very good change bowler, and can provide good support to the strike seamers. Of course, there's the perennial problem of lack of pace.
Agree , he is a decent enough first change an d he bowled well in pakistan during last tour but is'nt he injured at the moment?

Also how did he do in India against Pak?
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Mecnun said:
Agree , he is a decent enough first change an d he bowled well in pakistan during last tour but is'nt he injured at the moment?

Also how did he do in India against Pak?
In India, his first match was a good one, where he took five wickets in the first innings bowling first-change, then took the new ball to take four more. In the next two matches, however, he bowled with the new ball and struggled to run through the batting side, and finished the series with an average of 32. He seems to have more control when the ball is a few overs old, especially in ODI's, and he took five when he used an older ball.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
SJS said:
Yes although some of the stroke players in the middle order have slowed down :wacko:
Age? Seems to be the only explanation. Ganguly is definitely playing a different game, Sachin is but to a lesser extent than a year ago when his game had totally changed, and Laxman, well I can't explain why he's slowed down recently.
 

Deja moo

International Captain
Jono said:
Age? Seems to be the only explanation. Ganguly is definitely playing a different game, Sachin is but to a lesser extent than a year ago when his game had totally changed, and Laxman, well I can't explain why he's slowed down recently.
Steve Waugh, Mark Waugh, Kapil Dev (not quite appropriate, but meh), Saeed Anwar, Aravinda DeSilva....they never slowed down. I don't quite think its a physical problem (other than Ganguly perhaps). And its even not as if their (the Indian batsmen that is) slowing down has had them performing really better in games that matter too. :mellow:
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Actually the more I think about it, Laxman's game changed after the Australian tour of India in 2004. He was criticised for playing some silly shots during that tour, and not bothering to apply himself. He was definitely out of form, but maybe its not a coincidence that he has changed his way of batting since then.
 

godofcricket

State 12th Man
Arjun said:
This may have been asked once before, but is the Indian team missing Balaji? He's got a reasonably good record against the Pakistanis, and has taken five wickets in an innings against them, pushing them on the back foot in Mohali. He's a very good change bowler, and can provide good support to the strike seamers. Of course, there's the perennial problem of lack of pace.
But wont indian selectors be looking for a permenant 11 rather than replacing bowlers for a series??
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
godofcricket said:
But wont indian selectors be looking for a permenant 11 rather than replacing bowlers for a series??
If THIS is the permanent XI, the Indians are finished. They have to keep improving, in every way. Balaji bowled well against Pakistan, though he didn't average under 30, and he looks a class act.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
garage flower said:
For Adam Gilchrist to show dissent it must have been the worst decision in the history of, well, cricket certainly and probably sport in general. Even among this Aussie team, Gilly stands out - like some kind of really bright beacony thing - as an exemplar of moral rectitude. Is it blasphemy to call the man a saint, an angel? If it is then I don't have the vocabulary to do him justice. A shame he's gone all rubbish at batting.
I have seen appeal very very vociferously on a number of times when the batsman was clearly not out.


P.S: The new layout is super cool. :)
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Jono said:
No doubt.

What's ironic, despite raging seamers/dustbowls sometimes being too heavily in favour of the ball, they're very often more exciting cricket matches. Whatever people say about the Mumbai test, no one can deny that the finish wasn't entertaining.
This wicket is MUCH worser than Mumbai as far as I am concerned. There, the class batsmen were atleast able to make runs, as proved by Marto, VVS and Sachin. Here, even the class bowlers like Kumble, Shoaib, Bhajji and Danish look pedestrain.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
sheerindianspeed said:
Indians are certainly not invincible, but Pak are playing to draw matches rather than to conquer India, something which was clearly stated by Sehwag after the Lahore match.

Pakistan lack balls to take on India, the proof is that their captain shaved off the grass from Lahore pitch b/f the test match due to fear of facing Pathan and co on relatively lively pitch.Such a cowardly and unsporting approach makes them really a disgrace even in the eye of their own countrymen.
doesn't he deserve a warning or even a ban?
 

Dissector

International Debutant
Arjun said:
This may have been asked once before, but is the Indian team missing Balaji?
I have been wondering about Balaji as well. I have the vague impression that there have been injury problems but I don't know their precise nature. With his relatively decent performance in Pakistan last time he would have been the ideal choice to replace Agarkar. When we have Kumble and Bhajji, we don't really need top-class fast bowlers to take 20 wickets on sub-continental pitches. But we do need a decent opening pair who can make a new-ball breakthrough consistently and help sweep the lower order with the second new-ball. Pathan is good enough to play this role but Agakar fails even this modest standard. He is really a part-time bowler masquerading as a specialist.
 

danish

U19 12th Man
Dissector said:
I have been wondering about Balaji as well. I have the vague impression that there have been injury problems but I don't know their precise nature. With his relatively decent performance in Pakistan last time he would have been the ideal choice to replace Agarkar. When we have Kumble and Bhajji, we don't really need top-class fast bowlers to take 20 wickets on sub-continental pitches. But we do need a decent opening pair who can make a new-ball breakthrough consistently and help sweep the lower order with the second new-ball. Pathan is good enough to play this role but Agakar fails even this modest standard. He is really a part-time bowler masquerading as a specialist.
I agree, apart from having an opening batting dilemma, India really need to have a permanent opening bowling duo. The last time India had anything close to an opening bowling duo was Zaheer Khan/Ashish Nehra. Balaji had plenty of talent I thought, and was much better than the other medium fast bowlers that India tried out in the past 2 years, not to mention being extremely popular with international audiences. I think that Balaji is a better bowling option than Agarkar, and despite Agarkar being an 'allrounder' Balaji can certainly entertain with the bat.
 

Armadillo

State Vice-Captain
Does it strike you that Sehwag is a bit arrogant, from these two posts and many others it would seem so.

"I just love the Pakistani bowling."
Virender Sehwag puts his 48 boundaries in the first Test at Lahore in words. He now averages 112.36 after seven Tests against Pakistan

This may be true but its a bit full of himself.

"No. I don't know anything about them. I haven't heard about them."
Virender Sehwag,when asked about the record held by Pankaj Roy and Vinoo Mankad for the highest opening stand


In this quote it just seems like he doesn't care.
 

Unattainableguy

State 12th Man
Armadillo said:
Does it strike you that Sehwag is a bit arrogant, from these two posts and many others it would seem so.

"I just love the Pakistani bowling."
Virender Sehwag puts his 48 boundaries in the first Test at Lahore in words. He now averages 112.36 after seven Tests against Pakistan
Hopefully, next pitch will have something for the bowlers and they can shut him up for talking big.
 
Armadillo said:
Does it strike you that Sehwag is a bit arrogant, from these two posts and many others it would seem so.

"I just love the Pakistani bowling."
Virender Sehwag puts his 48 boundaries in the first Test at Lahore in words. He now averages 112.36 after seven Tests against Pakistan

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What's so bad about that statement? Pakistan bowlers are like cute chicks for Sehwag and he loves to toy with them:laugh:
 
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danish said:
Like Inzamam said, "Meh captain hoon, groundsman nai hoon." (I am the captain not the groundsman).
LIAR... Actually no, he's right as he's the captain and not the groundsman, but he was responsible for making sure that the pitch remains dead flat to negate India's superior pace advantage.

I'll give evidence of this from a Pakistan paper soon.
 
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Here's the proof !!

Lahore Test wicket leaves most people disappointed

From Waheed Khan

LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), despite being unhappy with the pitch prepared for the first Test against India, has rushed its chief curator Agha Zahid to Faisalabad, the venue of the second Test from January 21.

A PCB official admitted that the first Test pitch had left everyone disappointed. "There is nothing in it and clearly it is not the sort that is an advantage to the home side," he said. Zahid and curator Haji Bashir were responsible for the preparation of the first Test surface and claim that the harsh winter weather hampered their efforts to prepare a lively track.

But instead they came up with a track with not a single blade of grass on it and in fact even on the day before the Test started the groundsmen were seen scuffing and shaving off grass from the pitch which negates their argument that they could not prepare a lively track.

"When you have some grass on the pitch the ball tends to hit the blades and deviate a† bit and that is good for the pacers. But this pitch is totally flat, there is no movement or turn for the bowlers. If Pakistan has any chance of winning this Test it would be if the ball starts keeping low," the official said.

Even Pakistan captain Inzamam-ul-Haq was not happy with the final pitch and was seen grumbling on the eve of the Test.

But sources said some of the Pakistan team players themselves were averse to any grass being left on the pitch, which added pressure on the curators."Last time when India toured Pakistan and there was some grass left on the surface for the three Tests the Pakistani players were not happy at all with the curators. This time we were told we should avoid leaving grass on the surface," a groundsman confirmed



The official said Zahid had now been told to try to ensure there was some life in the pitch for the second Test. "What we are worried about is that the weather might disrupt the match because there is forecast for a wet spell in Faisalabad next week."

Indian team coach Greg Chappell said on Saturday the pitch reminded him of the same track which was described as a graveyard for bowlers by the Australians after a Test played in Faisalabad in 1980.

"Chappell’s views are not entirely wrong, this pitch is very similar to that one it is perfect for batting," a commentator who witnessed that match said. The Pakistan captain had said before the Indians arrived in Pakistan that he would like to see hard and bouncy tracks for the Tests to support the pace bowlers.

But former Pakistan captain Rashid Latif made an interesting observation: "If you look at our cricket history you will see that when there is a batsman as a captain batting pitches have been prepared and when we have had bowling captains like Imran Khan or Wasim Akram generally the tilt has been towards pitches with some life in them," he stated.

Chappell at Saturday’s conference also had another interesting indirect take on why such a pitch was prepared for the first Test. According to what he hinted the pitch was prepared according to a game plan to tire out the Indian bowlers before the next two Tests.
 

Fusion

Global Moderator
ajaagarkarajaaja said:
LIAR... Actually no, he's right as he's the captain and not the groundsman, but he was responsible for making sure that the pitch remains dead flat to negate India's superior pace advantage.

I'll give evidence of this from a Pakistan paper soon.
Oh please! Inzi and Woolmer can give advice to the curator, but it's the job of the curator to actually make the pitch. Do you seriously think that Inzi would've instructured them to make the flattest pitch anyone has ever seen? Based on what reasoning? Pakistan have the better bowling attack (yes including pace). India's strength lies more in their batting. So why would Pakistan play to India's advantage? I'm sure Inzi didn't want to have a Perth type pitch, but there's no way he was looking for a pitch this flat. IMO, the groundskeepers messed up and didn't compensate for a variety of things, most of all weather. As far as the paper you quoted, Waheed Khan (the author of the article) has a long running fued with Bob Woolmer and Inzi. In fact, Woolmer has highlighted Mr. Khan's articles on his website and responded point by point to them (goto www.bobwoolmer.com if you don't believe me). So citing this article as your "proof" is highly dubious as the author has a bias. I think those shouting about Pak being "cowardly" or Inzi being responsible/scared etc are truly just speaking out of their behinds, certainly not their heads.
 

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