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'No Doctoring' of the pitch at the Oval

zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
Well done England for winning the Ashes. There will be no miracles for 0z tomorrow I hate to say.
The luck has always been with England this series.
4 tosses won by Strauss
last pair surviving at Cardiff
Dodgy umpiring
What a great heist by England.
Aus 100's 7
Eng 100's 2
2 - 1 to England undeserved but ya, congratulations nonetheless.
Well, the luck has more or less evened itself out I'd say. Don't forget that England has suffered serious injuries to its two best players. And the umpiring errors have cut both ways.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Undeserved? Bit sour for mine, you make your own luck imo, and to say England don't deserve it if they win would be untrue.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Not sure how that is lucky TBH. A combination of crap captaincy and really gritty tail end batting.
It's why I really hate it when people say "he/she/they deserved to win", No! For mine, unless the result of your particular contest is altered by something totally out of your control (such as the weather, or indeed bad umpiring), you will not deserve to win unless you actually do, it doesn't matter how close you come to winning, I fail to see why coming close to winning somehow means that "you deserve it", no, bull crap.
 

Pizzorno

State Vice-Captain
Anderson and Panesar at Cardiff = Lucky

Lee and McGrath at Old Trafford = Heroic

Yeah, that's completely fair.
 

Lillian Thomson

International Coach
It's why I really hate it when people say "he/she/they deserved to win", No! For mine, unless the result of your particular contest is altered by something totally out of your control (such as the weather, or indeed bad umpiring), you will not deserve to win unless you actually do, it doesn't matter how close you come to winning, I fail to see why coming close to winning somehow means that "you deserve it", no, bull crap.
Half a days play was lost to weather in the First Test.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Well done England for winning the Ashes. There will be no miracles for 0z tomorrow I hate to say.
The luck has always been with England this series.
4 tosses won by Strauss
last pair surviving at Cardiff
Dodgy umpiring
What a great heist by England.
Aus 100's 7
Eng 100's 2
2 - 1 to England undeserved but ya, congratulations nonetheless.
Last pair surviving wasn't lucky. There were no dodgy decisions in their favour etc, they simply stayed in, that's not luck, it's what they were there to do. If you're gonna call that lucky, you might as well say Australia were lucky they bowled so well at Headingley.

Dodgy umpiring has benefitted us, it also cost us a few wickets in this match.

Sour post really, if we win tomorrow, then we deserve to win the series, simple really
 

Malleeboy

U19 12th Man
Congratulations England, I can't see our batsman digging this one out.

England clearly won the sessions that mattered and held on when it mattered.

Australia appears to have won the stats but lost the series.

Wickets by Bowlers
Hilf 22
Johnson 20
Siddle 20
Broad 17 (Broad should get up near the Australians in the last innings but the Australians have taken as a group more wickets.)
Anderson 12
Swann 10

Runs
Strauss 474
Clarke 448 (Clarke a good chance to pass Strauss)
North 357
Katich 340
Ponting 319

Batting Av
Trott 80 (1 test)
Clarke 74
North 59
Watson 57
Strauss 52
Haddin 48
Katich 48
Ponting 45
No other English batsman over 35!

With the toss 4 to 1 the only stat England are clearly going to own!

Maybe Australia should take a leaf out of England's book and stack our tail with bowlers who can bat regardless of how poorly they may occasionally bowl. A McDonald comes to mind.
 

huxleypig

Cricket Spectator
Well I want to say a huge thank you and well done to the curator. He prepared a brilliant pitch. One that yielded a definite result but wasn't a total mine field.

It certainly was a weird one though. Whenever a pitch is deteriorating like that it normally only goes one way and thats worse but it looked like this pitch got easier to bat on after day 2. Boycott was saying we'd got enough of a lead at 200 but fair play to Australia, they never go down without a fight.

How they didn't go in with a spinner on such a dry pitch is baffling though.
 

Lillian Thomson

International Coach
Well I want to say a huge thank you and well done to the curator. He prepared a brilliant pitch. One that yielded a definite result but wasn't a total mine field.

It certainly was a weird one though. Whenever a pitch is deteriorating like that it normally only goes one way and thats worse but it looked like this pitch got easier to bat on after day 2. Boycott was saying we'd got enough of a lead at 200 but fair play to Australia, they never go down without a fight.

How they didn't go in with a spinner on such a dry pitch is baffling though.
It was a bad pitch but was possible to bat on once a batsman had got in. Whether it was "doctored" depends on your definition. It was by design completely different to any pitch ever seen at the Oval before but whether that qualifies as doctoring is open to debate.
 

Cruxdude

International Debutant
It was a bad pitch but was possible to bat on once a batsman had got in. Whether it was "doctored" depends on your definition. It was by design completely different to any pitch ever seen at the Oval before but whether that qualifies as doctoring is open to debate.
A pitch that is tough for Batsmen to bat on is not a bad pitch. When there were 3 scores > 300, I don't understand how it is a bad pitch. Bad pitches would be the ones in Kanpur (2008), Mumbai (2004), all of NZ (2002-03).

Earlier curators were blamed for no-result pitch, now a pitch that promises a result but is not too tough to score on also gets him blamed.
 
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Burgey

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A pitch that is tough for Batsmen to bat on is not a bad pitch. When there were 3 scores > 300, I don't understand how it is a bad pitch. Bad pitches would be the ones in Kanpur (2008), Mumbai (2004), all of NZ (2002-03).

Earlier curators were blamed for no-result pitch, now a pitch that promises a result but is not too tough to score on also gets him blamed.
What happened in NZ 2002-03?
 

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