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National Stereotypes!!!
- Thread starter Turbinator
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Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Calling Fleming and Astle exciting stars is like calling Collingwood (without taking into account his fielding) an exciting star because of his batting... if you're going to set the bar that low then pretty much everyone is an exciting star at international level. Astle has a very occasional flash of brilliance and the rest of the time he's pretty dull and isn't a star (averages well under 40 in Test cricket, slow strike rate in ODIs), Fleming isn't a star either (mediocre record in Tests and ODIs).James said:
Turbinator
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James said:
u must be joking all these people u named except vettori and flemming arre dangerous a bowling attack of Allott, Bond, Nash, O'Connor, Cairns, Vettori would be pretty dangerous on the world stage
Dick Rockett
International Vice-Captain
That kind of dismissive attitude is a possible reason why India tend to perform poorly when they come here.Turbinator said:
Turbinator
Cricketer Of The Year
lol good point and yoh mundane yogi give it up wow we lost in New Zealand BIG DEAL!!!!Voltman said:Of course it would be dangerous - a six-man bowling line-up would be a luxury...
Dick Rockett
International Vice-Captain
He'll say something along the lines of "what has he done since?" as if scoring the fastest double century in the 100+ years of test cricket isn't much of an achievement.Voltman said:
Dick Rockett
International Vice-Captain
Lost? India were hammered.Turbinator said:
If they can't beat our pack of pathetic no-hopers, exactly how do you expect them to beat anyone else?
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Turbinator
Cricketer Of The Year
HOLY! wow ur so proud was that like ur only victory in a long time.......answer me one simple question the biggest stage of all THE WORLD CUP......how many has New Zealand won or even how many of the semis and finals has it come into.Mundane Yogi said:
Dont forget in 2003 in the last super six match between NzLAnd and India.......Nzland were begging us for to lose becuz we had already made it to the semis but had newzealand lost the match they wudve been out and srilanka wudve made it so cut ur crap!!
Dick Rockett
International Vice-Captain
Turbinator said:
There's no need to be like that. Grow up.
Smudge
Hall of Fame Member
Nice attempt to shift the goalposts...Turbinator said:
And I certainly enjoyed staying up until 4am back in 2000 to watch Cairns lead NZ to a win in the Champions Trophy final over... hang on, I'll have the answer in a minute...
Ah yes, that's right - India.
See what I've done there? I've shifted them again.
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Cricketer Of The Year
Voltman said:
WOW CHAMPIONS TROPHY are u serious? OMG wut an acheivement...........WOW THE CHAMPIONS TROPHY.....GOOD JOB u guys ROCK way to go!!!!
Turbinator
Cricketer Of The Year
Voltman said:
yea .......rite!!
Turbinator
Cricketer Of The Year
neways i dunt want to really start nething against Nzland becuz i actually do myself like the team..............they wud really be a good team if they start playing more games
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
On a match where NZ lost and the pitch had gone flat and easy to score quickly on (as shown by Thorpe scoring 200* off 231 - Astle would have been on pace to do about the same if he'd batted normally), he was given license to slog and got lucky in a freakish match (not that it's particularly difficult to rattle Hoggard and Caddick and slog them). Presumably you're now going to call Collingwood a star based on his 100 and 6-fer in the same ODI?Voltman said:
If Astle was an exciting star he'd have a lot more appeal in county cricket (did anyone at the other county/counties he played for care that much? I doubt it), instead when he played for Durham I didn't really care - completely different to when someone like Shoaib or Botham played for Durham.
James
Cricket Web Owner
I take it you haven't seen much of Nathan Astle then.
Granted, he's had a fairly poor past 12-18 months which I suppose you're basing your argument on. He's coming towards the end of this career and is likely to retire following the World Cup next year. The loss form was related to his injuries in 2004 I'd say.
He plays one of the best cut shots in the game and has a more than respectable ODI and Test average for our conditions, along with scoring the most hundreds for any New Zealand player in one-day cricket.
Almost all New Zealanders would pick him in our best ever ODI team and would consider him one of our greats.
For our population base and playing numbers we produce more than enough quality cricketers IMO.
Granted, he's had a fairly poor past 12-18 months which I suppose you're basing your argument on. He's coming towards the end of this career and is likely to retire following the World Cup next year. The loss form was related to his injuries in 2004 I'd say.
He plays one of the best cut shots in the game and has a more than respectable ODI and Test average for our conditions, along with scoring the most hundreds for any New Zealand player in one-day cricket.
Almost all New Zealanders would pick him in our best ever ODI team and would consider him one of our greats.
For our population base and playing numbers we produce more than enough quality cricketers IMO.
