Most Overrated Player?

[Andre]

yes but so far he has done all the hard work....... I am not saying he will be but....

 

[marc71178]

Here's another one.

Rikki Clarke.

Or Ben Smith?

 

[marc71178]

Actually that's 2, so I should have said here's 2 more, but then again Smith is only rated by 1 person so maybe he can't be over-rated in which case my 1 was in fact correct.

Erm, Marc 1 Marc 1 (I think)

 

[Neil Pickup]

Yes.. keep it to one at a time in future I think, better for everyone

And we've covered these guys in the Champions Trophy thread. Both hugely overrated, if anyone rates them. Oh yeah, and I'm not responisble for the Graveney hate-mail before you start to think it.. :P

 

[marc71178]

Guilty as charged

We must discuss these things in the proper place, and besides, the Longest Thread cannot win!

 

[chris.hinton]

Smith is the most UNDER-rated batsman in England

I go for Alex Tudor

 

[Neil Pickup]

Give me some reasons why Ben Smith is any good, then...

 

[marc71178]

He plays for Worcestershire!

If you want underrated, Powell of Warwickshire springs to mind (until this season)

 

[Andre]

Ian Blackwell

 

[Neil Pickup]

Blackwell is not that highly rated.

He's a Flintoff-type batsman (marginally better) who can rapidly change the game), plus a useful left-arm spinner.

 

[Andre]

I beg to differ. People have been calling for Blackwell's call-up all summer, implying that he is highly rated. Yet looking at his stats, he would be bloody lucky to get a game as a specialist bowler in county cricket, and his batting is not much better.

Here are the stats, thanks to cricinfo:
FIRST-CLASS
(1997 - 2002; last updated 09/09/2002)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 68 102 4 2952 122 30.12 8 12 27 0

O M R W Ave BBI 5 10 SR Econ
Bowling 1474.3 389 4082 93 43.89 5-49 3 0 95.1 2.76

LIST A LIMITED OVERS
(1997 - 2002; last updated 11/09/2002)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 101 92 8 2043 97 24.32 0 14 29 0

O R W Ave BBI 4w 5w SR Econ
Bowling 493.2 2400 70 34.28 4-24 2 0 42.2 4.86


Now correct me if I am wrong, but those are not great stats. Certainly not the career stats of a decent international or 'top' county player.

 

[marc71178]

Look at his career with Somerset for better figures. I seem to remember he was awful at Derbyshire (like most players )

His bowling is pretty dire though.

 

[luckyeddie]

Look at his career with Somerset for better figures. I seem to remember he was awful at Derbyshire (like most players )

The word which came to my mind was garbage, although he did have a decent knock in a one-dayer against Glamorgan.

Truth be told, he was still only 20 or 21 when he left (along with the rest of the half-decent players).

 

[chris.hinton]

He plays for Worcestershire!

If you want underrated, Powell of Warwickshire springs to mind (until this season)

Powell is crap

 

[marc71178]

He's had a bad season, but was fairly close to England represntation a couple of years back.

He's certainly no worse than Ben Smith.

 

[chris.hinton]

He's had a bad season, but was fairly close to England represntation a couple of years back.

He's certainly no worse than Ben Smith.

Powell is no better than a Birmingham League player

 

[marc71178]

Back this up with some facts please Chris (if you can!)

I don't see how someone averaging over 30 in First class Cricket, who has represented England A, and has at least one Double Century can be crap and no better than a Birmingham League player.

 

[Andre]

He doesnt play for Worcster Marc

 

[marc71178]

Of course - now I understand!

 

[chris.hinton]

Back this up with some facts please Chris (if you can!)

I don't see how someone averaging over 30 in First class Cricket, who has represented England A, and has at least one Double Century can be crap and no better than a Birmingham League player.

He is what wrong with English Cricket, **** Player