Moeen Ali racially abused

[ImpatientLime]

A racist comment would inherently elude to Ali's Anglo-Pakistani ancestry, not his religiously affiliated facial hair.

why osama then? why not call him wg grace?

 

[S.Kennedy]

why osama then? why not call him wg grace?

That the culprit knows Moeen has grown his beard for religious piety and not, as with Grace, that he is merely a Victorian gentleman wearing the concurrent hair styling of empire.

 

[_00_deathscar]

It has to do with race since the vast majority of its followers are Arab/South Asian/Persian.

Most Muslims are actually either African or Indonesian actually.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Incidentally, facial hair became popular in Victorian Britain because of India. It was seen as as sign of masculinity and maturity in India so the British officer class appropriated it and brought it back to Britain.

 

[Howe_zat]

I talk about being aware of one's lack of perspective a lot when it comes to this type of discussion. So in an effort to practise what I preach I really should leave S Kennedy alone, as I've never had the perspective of a complete moron before

 

[S.Kennedy]

I talk about being aware of one's lack of perspective a lot when it comes to this type of discussion. So in an effort to practise what I preach I really should leave S Kennedy alone, as I've never had the perspective of a complete moron before

Thanks. Another one on ignore.

Edit
Just realised you cannot ignore admins. I suppose I'll just ignore naturally.

 

[trundler]

Most Muslims are actually either African or Indonesian actually.

About half a billion in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Then add the Middle East to that.

 

[trundler]

This has derailed terribly, hasn't it? Should've stopped at the futile semantic discussion.

 

[harsh.ag]

I'll put it another way. If a white Muslim, say English, of Anglo-Saxon ethnicity and from a Christian background, with similar facial hair as Moeen was called ''Osama'' or something similar, would that be racist?

Islam is a proselytising religion much like Christianity. It does not have anything to do with race.

That simply wouldn't happen though.

It has to do with race since the vast majority of its followers are Arab/South Asian/Persian.

78,056,000 Muslims in Nigeria? Would you freely associate black people with Islamic terrorism?

So, first you ask if the same thing was said to a White Muslim, would it be considered racist? The answer is that no one trying to rattle a White Muslim with a beard would call him Osama. Ali was called that because of his ethnicity. Without acknowledging that, you then pivot to the existence of black Muslims.

Why do you think Ali wasn't called Osama because of the mix of his religion and ethnicity? Just answer this particular question.

 

[S.Kennedy]

So, first you ask if the same thing was said to a White Muslim, would it be considered racist? The answer is that no one trying to rattle a White Muslim with a beard would call him Osama. Ali was called that because of his ethnicity. Without acknowledging that, you then pivot to the existence of black Muslims.

Why do you think Ali wasn't called Osama because of the mix of his religion and ethnicity? Just answer this particular question.

I disagree. There have been Caucasian Muslims attacked in countries like Britain and the United States on account of their attire, not just facial hair but shalwar kameez, etc. This is undisputed fact.

 

[ImpatientLime]

what are you even arguing about anymore kennedy?

 

[trundler]

He's winging it and hoping we'll nod along at some point.

 

[Spikey]

anyway it's racist

 

[StephenZA]

78,056,000 Muslims in Nigeria? Would you freely associate black people with Islamic terrorism?

If you knew anything about Africa and Boko Haram...... then yes, a very big yes.

 

[Black_Warrior]

I think we need a word like anti-Semitic to describe Islamic stereotyping.

Agreed and there is a is a term - "Islamophobia"


How Islamophobia Is Becoming Increasingly Acceptable

Given the importance of language in such discourses, I would prefer another term that places Muslims at the centre because they're the ones at the receiving end.

 

[S.Kennedy]

what are you even arguing about anymore kennedy?

I'll never underestimate my, entirely unintentional I assure you, capacity to wind up everybody here.

 

[S.Kennedy]

He's winging it and hoping we'll nod along at some point.

Clearly I'm in the minority then in not finding this racist. I'll just agree to disagree then and depart from this particular argument.

 

[harsh.ag]

I disagree. There have been Caucasian Muslims attacked in countries like Britain and the United States on account of their attire, not just facial hair but shalwar kameez, etc. This is undisputed fact.

Yes. In those cases, it's islamophobia. If someone called them a name of a white Muslim terrorist, that would have an ethnic basis to it, hence it would be racist.

Again, why do you think in this case was Moeen's ethnicity not relevant to him being called Osama?

 

[Black_Warrior]

Anyways, while I don’t think Moeen is lying but it’s also a perfectly valid question why he would wait for this long? Situation would have been dealt with much sooner and everyone would have moved on by now. It’s not far fetched to assume it’s due to financial reasons.

Again, please read the full coverage. The internet culture does encourage fast hot takes and reactions but it's important in such serious matters to at least read the full story.

He did raise it straight away with his coach who approached Lehmann and the said player denied it. Cricket barely has a clear policy on sledging and on field abuse, let alone racism, so there wasn't nothing more to it.

It came out now because he has published his autobiography. Now given that he only made his debut in 2015, I doubt he would get a book deal back then.

 

[Black_Warrior]

People do, true, but, and I hate to analyse the head of Davey Wa - whoops - but in this particular circumstance I believe the insult was more directed at Moeen's appearance, so yes, that insult could just as well be directed at a Caucasian.

It simply isn't racist. A racist remark would refer to Moeen's Anglo-Pakistani heritage. It is that simple.

Can you cite some real incidents when a white man in a beard was called Osama?