Moeen Ali racially abused

[Chrish]

Knew this thread was going to bring out the worst given the subject matter. Reading through the 'where's the evidence' posts helps me understand what a lot of women go through when facing ***ual harassment. People ask the same thing and how do you prove such a thing? How is Moeen supposed to prove it?

One of my best friends was accused of ***ual harassment by someone whom he was supervising. Knowing him I knew he never would have done something like it. Turned out that that woman also accused other people of doing similar things outside of work. She had severe performance issues and would resort to such claims against the people who would try to get rid of her. So coin has two sides..

Anyways, while I don’t think Moeen is lying but it’s also a perfectly valid question why he would wait for this long? Situation would have been dealt with much sooner and everyone would have moved on by now. It’s not far fetched to assume it’s due to financial reasons.

 

[sledger]

One of my best friends was accused of ***ual harassment by someone whom he was supervising. Knowing him I knew he never would have done something like it. Turned out that that woman also accused other people of doing similar things outside of work. She had severe performance issues and would resort to such claims against the people who would try to get rid of her. So coin has two sides..

Anyways, while I don’t think Moeen is lying but it’s also a perfectly valid question why he would wait for this long? Situation would have been dealt with much sooner and everyone would have moved on by now. It’s not far fetched to assume it’s due to financial reasons.

It's also a question that is capable of having a perfectly valid and reasonable answer.

 

[Spark]

"i don't think he's lying, now let me bring up this entirely irrelevant anecdote to show that moeen is actually probably lying"

 

[S.Kennedy]

For it to be racist you'd have to assume the culprit would be just as liable to direct the insult at anyone of ''Asian appearance'', Virat Kohli, his own teammate Khawaja, etc etc. The insult is clearly directed at religion, i.e. creating an absolute association between Islamic piety and Islamic terrorism.

 

[Spark]

For it to be racist you'd have to assume the culprit would be just as liable to direct the insult at anyone of ''Asian appearance'', Virat Kohli, his own teammate Khawaja, etc etc. The insult is clearly directed at religion, i.e. creating an absolute association between Islamic piety and Islamic terrorism.

thanks oxford university

 

[sledger]

For it to be racist you'd have to assume the culprit would be just as liable to direct the insult at anyone of ''Asian appearance'', Virat Kohli, his own teammate Khawaja, etc etc. The insult is clearly directed at religion, i.e. creating an absolute association between Islamic piety and Islamic terrorism.

Haha holy ****, it gets worse. Way to fundamentally misunderstand the issue.

 

[sledger]

thanks oxford university

*Oxford Brookes

 

[Spark]

Haha holy ****, it gets worse.

i mean if he doesn't think that people get insulted as terrorists just because they're brown then he's either very sheltered or thoroughly obtuse, idc which

 

[sledger]

i mean if he doesn't think that people get insulted as terrorists just because they're brown then he's either very sheltered or thoroughly obtuse, idc which

No no spark, it's common for anyone with a beard to be treated this way. Nordic lumberjacks are frequently referred to as Osama as I understand it.

 

[Chrish]

It's also a question that is capable of having a perfectly valid and reasonable answer.

Which is?

 

[S.Kennedy]

i mean if he doesn't think that people get insulted as terrorists just because they're brown then he's either very sheltered or thoroughly obtuse, idc which

People do, true, but, and I hate to analyse the head of Davey Wa - whoops - but in this particular circumstance I believe the insult was more directed at Moeen's appearance, so yes, that insult could just as well be directed at a Caucasian.

It simply isn't racist. A racist remark would refer to Moeen's Anglo-Pakistani heritage. It is that simple.

 

[Spark]

No no spark, it's common for anyone with a beard to be treated this way. Nordic lumberjacks are frequently referred to as Osama as I understand it.

honestly i would genuinely take "is it really that bad of a comment" over the wilful obtuseness of some of these lines of argument being trotted out

 

[sledger]

Which is?

How the **** should I know?

 

[Spark]

People do, true, but, and I hate to analyse the head of Davey Wa - whoops - but in this particular circumstance I believe the insult was more directed at Moeen's appearance, so yes, that insult could just as well be directed at a Caucasian.

It simply isn't racist. A racist remark would refer to Moeen's Anglo-Pakistani heritage. It is that simple.

okay i submit to your superior divine wisdom, o god of what is and isn't racist

 

[Chrish]

"i don't think he's lying, now let me bring up this entirely irrelevant anecdote to show that moeen is actually probably lying"

He either should have said it at that time or just kept quite. Saying things now doesn’t do any good to cricket. It only creates animosity between two teams and countries. That’s all I am saying.

I don’t think his lying.

 

[sledger]

People do, true, but, and I hate to analyse the head of Davey Wa - whoops - but in this particular circumstance I believe the insult was more directed at Moeen's appearance, so yes, that insult could just as well be directed at a Caucasian.

It simply isn't racist. A racist remark would refer to Moeen's Anglo-Pakistani heritage. It is that simple.

To those with a simple mind I'm sure it is, yes.

 

[trundler]

It's semantics really. If it's not racism and some other kind of prejudice/bigotry, is it 'better'?

 

[sledger]

He either should have said it at that time or just kept quite. Saying things now doesn’t do any good to cricket. It only creates animosity between two teams and countries. That’s all I am saying.

I don’t think his lying.

Quite frankly, whether it does any good to cricket is completely besides the point.

 

[Spark]

How the **** should I know?

bayliss has confirmed today that it was raised at the time and the england setup wanted to pursue it further but they were dissuaded out of it by moeen not wanting to make a fuss. so it's not just moeen lying, it's a grand conspiracy clearly

 

[Spark]

It's semantics really. It it's not racism and some other kind of prejudice/bigotry, is it 'better'?

we have a winner