Perm
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
He has an Irish passport though, surely that would allow him to play as a local player?
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Marshall spurns NZC contract
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HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Exactly. My reading of this is that due to his Irish passport, if he gives up his 'right' to play for NZ (a la Jacques Rudolph) he can sign as a Kolpak player.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
I don't know, it wasn't really lazyness, and more his own personal philosophy. He believed the practice pitches in New Zealand were so shocking, that they were detrimental to his technique. And it can't have been that bad because he was in pretty good form for the first year and a half of his career.
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I.e. he was a half decent international cricketer until international class bowlers spotted the flaws in his technique and exploited them again and again and again.
And rather than working on fixing those flaws in the nets, he decides to give up and go for the coin instead in Gloucestershire.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
So I'm taking it you'd turn down a 400% payrise, better working conditions, a more proffesional environment and greater job security for the opportunity to be labelled useless by everyone in your country?
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Hahahahahaha. You've asked the wrong person there. I'm still in NZ aren't I (despite the continual criticism)??
And yes - if it came between playing for my country and playing for a county where (unless you are playing 20:20) no ****er turns up to watch then YES I would choose my country every time.
So, Hamish will now earn about $250k per annum with Gloucestershire?? Bloody hell. If that's what it would take to get rid of him, I would have set up a charity to raise that kind of money.
Seriously though mate, how little do you value playing for your country????
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
That's the whole point though. He wasn't playing for his country. He didn't have a regular spot in the team. He's a crap player in one dayers, and New Zealand never plays any test cricket. We have to be realist here. Cricket is a proffession. Sure playing for your country comes first, but if you can't actually do that, due to poor form or simply a lack of talent, then you have to go wherever the money is. Simple as that.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Wright's already made a crap load of money coaching India for 5 years. And he didn't turn down the post for a love of his country, rather a love of his family, as he was sick of being away from them all the time.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Tiny, pedantic point on my part, but if he has an Irish passport he won't be a Kolpak as such. EU passport holders have always had the right of work since the UK signed up to the Maastricht (sp?) agreement. "Kolpaks" are nationals of countries with trade agreements with the EU (which for cricketing purposes are mainly saffies & zimbas, although I think some caribbean islands have an agreement too) named after some Slovak handball player who instigated the original case against the EU.
It's weird, isn't it? The agreement might suit Glous & Hamish, but NZ and England are both adversely affected. NZ lose a player & an English youngster is potentially denied an FC spot.
Fiery
Banned
Wright's never been overly motivated by money as much as I know him
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Not saying he is. Just saying that were he not so well off financially he might be more keen to coach overseas again.
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yep. Too right. Am i right in saying that NZ doesn't have a trade agreement with the EU at the moment, so we can't have a Kolpak exodus like the Yarpies???
Also, your second paragraph is wrong. NZ lose a specialist sub fielder, not a whole player.
Bahns is remembering Hamish at his best in his debut season and thinks he still could have been a success at test level. I'm more with Perm on this issue though in that unless he was going to put in the time and effort to correct his technical flaws in the nets, his technique had been worked out at test level and his batting average was set to decline and decline until it levelled off at around 25.
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Fiery
Banned
Just saying, the job here should be his if he wants it. No brainer for NZC
BoyBrumby
Englishman
No, luckily NZ & Oz don't have them, but union over here (and France & Italy too I guess) could be potentially even more buggered than cricket is because Fiji, Tonga & Samoa do have them. It means that guys like (say) Tuqiri or Rokocoko could come over here to play as Kolpaks once they give their international careers away.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Wrong. It should be a no brainer for the NZC. Seems much more likely they'll stick with Bracewell though. And at the same time, a friend of mine made a very good point. Wright was an excellent coach for a team like India, which was extremely ill disciplined and poorly organised, but with an overwhelming amount of natural talent. However, for a team like New Zealand, which already does its best with regards to things like fitness and fielding, I'm not sure whether he'd make as big an impact.
Fiery
Banned
Not sure what part of you agreeing is wrong?
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
No, in saying "No brainer for the NZC" you implied that they would actually realise that it was the only decision to make. My inclusion of "should" was stating that they wouldn't necessarily see Wright as the obvious choice.
Ah, was the lack of "the"?...my mistake