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Let's say we get a new Bradman...what happens?

TheJediBrah

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viriya said:
The equivalent to batting average is not bowling average. It's a combination of bowling average + wkts/match. A bowler impacts the game with wickets, so a better measure would be (wkts/match)/(bowling)
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not even remotely

wickets/match is completely meaningless when you're bowling 40% of your teams overs and the rest of your team's bowlers are hopeless. Not even taking into account being a spinner playing 70% of matches in spin-friendly conditions and a baffingly high percentage of games against rank opposition (Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, West Indies). Not that its Murali's fault that the stronger nations didn't organise series as often or for as long against Sri Lanka.

Just a few of many examples of how overall statistics as a bowler can be highly misleading.

NB: I still think Murali is in the top 4-5 bowlers in the last 2-3 decades.
 
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The Bradman of bowling would be a guy who averaged 10-12 with the ball over a long period of time. Which is hard to imagine happening. The closest anyone has come recently in my memory was when Ajantha Mendis came onto the scene (in limited overs cricket) and was virtually unplayable for like a year. But it didn't last long and either everyone figured him out or he got ****. But if something like that happens again and the bowler can maintain it, that would be the "Bradman of bowlers"
 
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The quality of opposition argument doesn't hold up when talking about wickets/match - still only 20 wickets to take in a match and he is competing with the same bowlers for them.

That's the main issue tho. A batsman can bat on and on and score how many runs he likes, regardless of how many runs his team-mates score. His batting average is not affected directly by the quality of batsmen around him.

However, a bowler can only ever take 20 wickets in a match. And he has the other bowlers to compete with for those wickets. If you are heads and shoulders above the other bowlers in your team, and if you bowl the bulk of the overs your team bowls, you will comfortably take most of the wickets your team takes. If all the bowlers are equally good, and if they all bowl a similar number of overs per match, then the wickets are more likely to be shared.

As such the wickets/match figure relies highly on the quality of bowlers around you and your role in the team. Your batting average is a pure reflection of how good a batsman you were in respect to the bowlers you faced. It is not affected by the quality of batsmen around you.

Bowling average and Strike rate are much, much better indicators of a bowlers quality as those are reliant more on his skills relative to the batsmen he bowls too. And Murali's average and SR are not Bradmanesque no matter how you try to spin them.
 
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Would be amazing if we did get a New Bradman, but even better than that would be the rise of the very first Bradman of bowling. Imagine a pacer who bowled at 155+kph, swung the ball both ways at will like a banana, got 1000 wickets in 100 matches @ 9.94.
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998 wickets at 10.04 after getting carted in his last match
 
Flem274*

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Point of thread = missed.

I'll put it out there that the New Bradman could be the highest paid sportsman in the world, depending on IPL salary caps. Even if he's relatively terrible at T20 a franchise would pay megabucks to have the New Bradman on their brand.
 
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I thought the "We'll treat him like we treat Messi" point was solid.

We'll just get used to his ridiculous genius.

And plz the New Bradman would be amazing at T20 otherwise he wouldn't be the New Bradman.

I expect to be Sachin-like in his ability to have a long career, fight through injury, not get bogged down by media, while simultaneously just being godly in all forms of cricket.

How much adulation he get will depend quite a bit on which country he is from too.
 
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Flem274* said:
Point of thread = missed.

I'll put it out there that the New Bradman could be the highest paid sportsman in the world, depending on IPL salary caps. Even if he's relatively terrible at T20 a franchise would pay megabucks to have the New Bradman on their brand.
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Only for IPL fans to say that he's overhyped because he's bad at T20.
 
kiwiviktor81

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What would a player's T20 or ODI batting stats have to be like to be considered Bradman level?

Considering that Bradman's strike rate was also known to be remarkable in Tests.
 
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100 in Tests, 90 in ODIs, 60 in T20s, all from number 3.

I expect he'll have some holes here and there in his record, like only averagin in the 60s in Test played in South Africa and feasting on Indian bowlers with an average of 1,355 , and that will be used to disparage him in comparison to Bradman. Plus he will hit in the air a lot and perhaps score quicker than Bradman but also get out sooner, which will make people choose Bradman over New Bradman for Tests. But New Bradman will be a much better fielder they argue, and has had a more intense schedule, is more multi dimensional...but Bradman didn't have modern bats and ****ty bowlers and flat pitches to score off.
 
harsh.ag

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Flem, TNB would get so much money, fame, and eye-****ing that he will single handedly take over ICC, restrict T20s for talentless List A ****s, elevate FC cricket to the level of the European Football Leagues with a UCL to boot, ann start an all star test league managed by SWaugh, Dravid, and Gary Kirsten capped by a Test World Cup every four years.

Oh, and lie with all the hot women of the world. First on the list, Amal Alamuddin.
 
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harsh.ag said:
Flem, TNB would get so much money, fame, and eye-****ing that he will single handedly take over ICC, restrict T20s for talentless List A ****s, elevate FC cricket to the level of the European Football Leagues with a UCL to boot, ann start an all star test league managed by SWaugh, Dravid, and Gary Kirsten capped by a Test World Cup every four years.

Oh, and lie with all the hot women of the world. First on the list, Amal Alamuddin.
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Big call that it's going to be an as-yet undiscovered Noema-Barnett brother.
 
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