Left handed XI

[kingkallis]

Hmmmm true! I dont need Goddard the batsman since I have a stunning line up so I guess TG will have to sit out and I will replace him with my fav. lefty bowler, Brett Schultz

 

[watson]

Hmmmm true! I dont need Goddard the batsman since I have a stunning line up so I guess TG will have to sit out and I will replace him with my fav. lefty bowler, Brett Schultz

Strike Rate of 47, that'll do it.

Shame about the dicky knees. Obviously deserved to play more than 9 Tests.

 

[The Sean]

On the points you have mentioned, Gilchrist may be better than Sanga with gloves, but that is offset with his significant superior batting abilities than Gilchrist. And It's not Knott aor Ames that challenges him, Sanga and Flower as batsmen wicketkeepers.

#2, Average do matter, otherwise people would claim Ramiz Raja was better than Sachin Tendulkar. Average of 65+ with the bat is too significant to be left out, especially when comparing with Border and Harvey. And on Barrington, he was a bloody good player, ATG for sure if not fore his health issues later in his career.

But isn't Sanga only a better bat when he's not 'keeping? Off the top of my head, Sanga's batting average as a wicketkeeper is lower than Gilly's - so when they've got the gloves Gilchrist is both a better batsman and a better 'keeper.

 

[Prince EWS]

But isn't Sanga only a better bat when he's not 'keeping? Off the top of my head, Sanga's batting average as a wicketkeeper is lower than Gilly's - so when they've got the gloves Gilchrist is both a better batsman and a better 'keeper.

In before Migara suggests that means Sangakkara is the best batsman of the last 50 years because his average is so high when he doesn't keep. So many times, this same thing.

 

[The Sean]

Should we be concerned about a singular Test match century and a bowling Strike Rate of 95.4 ?

Or is Goddard a classic case where the sum of the parts is way greater than the whole?

In other words, he's a ***y cricketer, end of story.

Ha ha, Goddard was a consistent Test runscorer despite the lack of tons, though yes he did have a conversion rate that would make Stephen Fleming blush! As a bowler I daresay he was a product of his time - the era Goddard played in was one of generally defensive cricket, epitomised by poor strike rates and great economy rates - and his economy rate (1.6 runs/over) was astoundingly good.

I wouldn't actually call him a remotely ***y cricketer - he is often overlooked today in discussions about great all rounders. But he was a very fine one - productive, consistent and durable over a long period, and very underrated IMO.

 

[andruid]

I hereby predict that when this thread s bumped 2 years down the line this guy will be in it Irfan Karim | Kenya Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[Prince EWS]

I hereby predict that when this thread s bumped 2 years down the line this guy will be in it Irfan Karim | Kenya Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | ESPN Cricinfo

AWTA.

Mainly because you put him in it, mind.

 

[andruid]

He's really come out and carried his franchise this round of the East Africa Cricket Leagues. Still just 19 too

 

[kyear2]

in before migara suggests that means sangakkara is the best batsman of the last 50 years because his average is so high when he doesn't keep. So many times, this same thing.

+1

 

[benchmark00]

But isn't Sanga only a better bat when he's not 'keeping? Off the top of my head, Sanga's batting average as a wicketkeeper is lower than Gilly's - so when they've got the gloves Gilchrist is both a better batsman and a better 'keeper.

Yeah, an absolutely crazy argument. Not sure how he could have written that post with a straight face.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah, an absolutely crazy argument. Not sure how he could have written that post with a straight face.

He's made the argument about 1,000 times before, and it's an absolute set-up every time. He does it so whoever he's talking to will make the post The Sean made, and he can then use the same argument to 'prove' that Sanga is in fact the greatest batsman since Bradman*, for he averages about 70 as a specialist bat.

*The fact that Migara hates Bradman aside.

 

[benchmark00]

He's made the argument about 1,000 times before, and it's an absolute set-up every time. He does it so whoever he's talking to will make the post The Sean made, and he can then use the same argument to 'prove' that Sanga is in fact the greatest batsman since Bradman*, for he averages about 70 as a specialist bat.

*The fact that Migara hates Bradman aside.

I only read about 5 people's posts on this site, so it stands to reason that I've missed that argument tbf.

 

[The Sean]

He's made the argument about 1,000 times before, and it's an absolute set-up every time. He does it so whoever he's talking to will make the post The Sean made, and he can then use the same argument to 'prove' that Sanga is in fact the greatest batsman since Bradman*, for he averages about 70 as a specialist bat.

*The fact that Migara hates Bradman aside.

Well now I just feel violated.

So what would Gilly's average have been if he didn't keep wicket? I reckon 76.

Am I doing it right?

 

[benchmark00]

Gillys average would've been 80+ if he wasn't a walker imo

 

[Prince EWS]

Well now I just feel violated.

So what would Gilly's average have been if he didn't keep wicket? I reckon 76.

Am I doing it right?

Yeah you are.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Migara is invariably fair and open minded when he posts about SL players....

I was under the impression CW had him sussed as a unreconstructed fanboy when it comes to Lankans, but it appears not.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Your batting is already choc-a-block all the way down to at least Gilchrist. This makes Goddard's skills with the bat over-kill. So why not choose a bowler with a better Strike Rate than Goddard's 95 balls and give the bowling a boost?

Though I would replace Goddard with perhaps Verity or The Bish, I think the XI as it stands has enough firepower to take 20 wickets, given Sobers and Border would be back-up - Sobers especially, as he routinely bowled first change in the early 60s and did a damn good job of it.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

At the risk of being a parochial ****, Bill Johnston is criminally underrated as a bowler - probably by being third fiddle to Lindwall and Miller in 1948. Has a better average than Lillee and I dare say his strike rate was gimped a bit by being asked to bowl left-arm orthodox (yes, he could do that) given the next best options for The Don were Colin McCool and Ian Johnson.

 

[The Sean]

At the risk of being a parochial ****, Bill Johnston is criminally underrated as a bowler - probably by being third fiddle to Lindwall and Miller in 1948. Has a better average than Lillee and I dare say his strike rate was gimped a bit by being asked to bowl left-arm orthodox (yes, he could do that) given the next best options for The Don were Colin McCool and Ian Johnson.

+1

Magnificent bowler, and despite being remembered as third fiddle to Lindwall and Miller he frequently outbowled them both. IMO he's as strong a contender as anyone for a place on the left-arm quicks podium after Wasim and Davo.

A genuine all rounder too, given he was good enough to average 102 with the bat for an entire English First Class season...

 

[Migara]

But isn't Sanga only a better bat when he's not 'keeping? Off the top of my head, Sanga's batting average as a wicketkeeper is lower than Gilly's - so when they've got the gloves Gilchrist is both a better batsman and a better 'keeper.

If you settle for the average of 40 of wk-bat (of Sanga) ignoring that he was yet to achieve his peak, then the reverse would apply too. As a batsman, we have to settle that he averages 65+, which will easily bring him in to the team over everybody except Sobers.

If you argue that if Sanga was a designated batsman for his whole career he would average less than 65, (because it was his peak that he plays as a pure batsman), then it would automatically mean that he will improve from his 40 as a wk-bat since it never included his peak as a batsman. I'd say if Sanga was a pure batsman, he would be averaging 62-63 by now, and if he was the full time wk-bay, 48-50 by now. If you consider either way, he is a strong candidate for an ATG XI