Jimmy Anderson -Finally World Class?

[Kirkut]

Waiting for this Anderson to come back

 

[Daemon]

Wouldn't make India's ATXI

 

[Adders]

If you're not here to pay homage then gtfo of my thread ****s.

Edit

Ok so this isn't my thread.........you're still ****s though.

 

[fredfertang]

Wouldn't make India's ATXI

Presumably that's restricted to those who have represented India?

 

[stephen]

Wouldn't make India's ATXI

I think he'd partner Kapil Dev with the new ball.

And I think he'd also probably be near the English ATXI, at least in home conditions.

 

[Howe_zat]

We discussed that on the podcast not too long ago. Afaic there are three untouchable names in an England all time attack - Barnes, Trueman and Botham. There are a few names you could argue for the last seam bowler but for me it's Anderson quite comfortably now.

 

[harsh.ag]

Yeah, Anderson has to come in for an England ATXI. No doubt imo. Greater than Snow and Larwood.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Only thing is whether you need 4 pacemen in an all time attack?

 

[Daemon]

Only thing is whether you need 4 pacemen in an all time attack?

Barnes is a bit of both no?

 

[OverratedSanity]

Why Barnes when you can pick Fizzy?

/*****

 

[Groundking]

Only thing is whether you need 4 pacemen in an all time attack?

Doesn't matter with Beefy being an allrounder.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

If John Snow was round in this era without the grind of County Cricket and without the stuffed shirt establishment he would be untouchable. He was a better bowler than Anderson.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

That is one thing that is not thought about when comparing players from different eras, now the England players play for England first and the odd game for their counties to get match sharp to be ready for England. Snow and all the rest would play a couple of first class games and a Sunday league match between tests with virtually no days off. Central contracts mean Anderson and Broad have been able to play more at their peak for England than previous players could ever dream of.

 

[Prince EWS]

Barnes is a bit of both no?

Yeah, and Botham usually ends up at 6 or 7 in these teams too. You can still pick four pacemen and a spinner if Botham is one of the pacemen, and Barnes is a bit weird. You're basically down to two specialist quicks plus Botham, Barnes and one specialist spinner - seems like a fair balance to me, and Howe still gets Anderson in with that.

 

[Prince EWS]

That is one thing that is not thought about when comparing players from different eras, now the England players play for England first and the odd game for their counties to get match sharp to be ready for England. Snow and all the rest would play a couple of first class games and a Sunday league match between tests with virtually no days off. Central contracts mean Anderson and Broad have been able to play more at their peak for England than previous players could ever dream of.

They also mean they've been able to play more when they're **** for England than any previous players had to endure though, and playing a bunch of games when he wasn't very good is the primary factor in some people not rating Anderson as highly as others.

 

[honestbharani]

They also mean they've been able to play more when they're **** for England than any previous players had to endure though, and playing a bunch of games when he wasn't very good is the primary factor in some people not rating Anderson as highly as others.

Its a silly argument though, as it was with Sachin. I will always argue that those years helped them learn and shaped them to become the players they went on to become. And if you have played international cricket, you will be judged on those performances, irrespective of how good or ready or injured or whatever you were at that time. Also remember that there are some who rate Anderson based on his longevity and years in the game and that wont hold up if you start moving games out based on some random assessment of "when he was ready" etc etc.

 

[Howe_zat]

Yeah, and Botham usually ends up at 6 or 7 in these teams too. You can still pick four pacemen and a spinner if Botham is one of the pacemen, and Barnes is a bit weird. You're basically down to two specialist quicks plus Botham, Barnes and one specialist spinner - seems like a fair balance to me, and Howe still gets Anderson in with that.

I see it as either

Botham
Trueman
Laker/Verity
Anderson
Barnes

or

Grace/Greig
Botham
Trueman
Anderson
Barnes (as spinner)

In either case Anderson could be some other seamer (Lohmann, Larwood, Bedser) but I've more or less made up my mind

 

[Daemon]

They also mean they've been able to play more when they're **** for England than any previous players had to endure though, and playing a bunch of games when he wasn't very good is the primary factor in some people not rating Anderson as highly as others.

But great players are more often in good form than otherwise aren't they? Playing more definitely benefits great players overall imo.

 

[Howe_zat]

But great players are more often in good form than otherwise aren't they? Playing more definitely benefits great players overall imo.

Botham, Waqar, Gilchrist?

There are quite a few great players who would (erroneously IMO) be higher regarded if they stopped playing earlier

 

[Daemon]

Botham, Waqar, Gilchrist?

There are quite a few great players who would (erroneously IMO) be higher regarded if they stopped playing earlier

Assuming they played in an era with fewer games, it wouldn't really affect the length of time they played on during their end of career slump would it? Yes they'd play fewer games but it'd have the same impact on their overall career I think.