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Jacques Kallis vs Steve Waugh

Who was the greater test batsman?

  • Jacques Kallis

    Votes: 33 61.1%

  • Steve Waugh

    Votes: 21 38.9%
  • Total voters
    54
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

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Steve Waugh was almost entirely before my time, but having watched a helluva lot of Ponting and Kallis, they were both gun batsmen, who did what their teams needed them to do.

Those who think that Kallis had roughly similar circumstances to attack in as Ponting don't have the slightest bit of clue how dominating of positions that Australia would get themselves into in Tests. The Australian test side was a major outlier at that time, when it came to approach compared to almost any Test team.

People talk about bowling "attacks", but the Australian test team of the era had a "batting attack", because of how quickly they would inundate you with the sheer pressure and weight of runs. Matthew Hayden I think was an underrated aspect of that approach, in taking advantage of even the slightest opportunity to go on the attack with fast scoring batting for an opener.
 
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subshakerz

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shortpitched713 said:
Steve Waugh was almost entirely before my time, but having watched a helluva lot of Ponting and Kallis, they were both gun batsmen, who did what their teams needed them to do.

Those who think that Kallis had roughly similar circumstances to attack in as Ponting don't have the slightest bit of clue how dominating of positions that Australia would get themselves into in Tests. The Australian test side was a major outlier at that time, when it came to approach compared to almost any Test team.

People talk about bowling "attacks", but the Australian test team of the era had a "batting attack", because of how quickly they would inundate you with the sheer pressure and weight of runs. Matthew Hayden I think was an underrated aspect of that approach, in taking advantage of even the slightest opportunity to go on the attack with fast scoring batting for an opener.
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Forget about Ponting. Lara and Tendulkar didn't have great batting lineups for much of their early careers which didn't stop them from being attacking.
 
Burgey

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shortpitched713 said:
Those who think that Kallis had roughly similar circumstances to attack in as Ponting don't have the slightest bit of clue how dominating of positions that Australia would get themselves into in Tests. The Australian test side was a major outlier at that time, when it came to approach compared to almost any Test team.
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People also greatly underestimate how much Ponting contributed to that himself.
 
Burgey

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It takes less pressure off you batting three than elsewhere imho. Always fortunate to have Hayden and Langer opening ahead of him of course, but he set the tone for Aus so often it wasn’t funny. Wonderful number three in his pomp. The best there we’ve had since Bradman, and overall I think the best there since peak Viv.
 
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Which means Waugh's average must be higher than Kallis' in another innings, right?

I guess the question is, so what? 4th innings average is a kind of weird stat people focus on imo, but each to their own I suppose.
 
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