Jack Hobbs vs Len Hutton vs Herbert Sutcliffe vs Sunil Gavaskar

[NotMcKenzie]

And believe me I have already broken Chapppell's record.

No you haven't (whatever record it may be).

You've never played test cricket in your life.

 

[Red]

Well if you break down the record of 99% ATG cricketers you will find them not so great . Take for eg. Gavaskar scored more runs in 1 series in WI(774) than Ponting scored in Asia in his 2002-06 peak period(753) . And if you break that down further you will find that Ponting in his 2002-06 period played only 1 test in IND in which he also failed. So one can come to conclusion that Ponting's peak period coincided with him playing so few in Asia.

Of course. You're not correcting me or telling me what I don't know. As I said in the post you quoted: "he was incredibly high quality".

My post is a reaction against people who say "Gavaskar must be the greatest because he averaged whatever against the WI pace quartet".

 

[Coronis]

Everyone has holes in their record, even Bradman. Didn't even average 75 against West Indies - couldn't handle pace.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Everyone has holes in their record, even Bradman. Didn't even average 75 against West Indies - couldn't handle pace.

Averaged less than 20 in sticky wickets

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Actually if I had to troll I would have brought Greg Chappell's record who was Gavaskar's contemporary . And believe me I have already broken Chapppell's record and it is not so flattering . Saving it for another occasion. I am just stating the fact that 99% ATG cricketers perform better against average opponents as compared to great opponents.

Also ,
Sunny's record against WI Pacers is way better than Viv's record against them in domestic cricket.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Averaged less than 20 in sticky wickets

Never played in Asia either. Would have liked to have seen him try to bat for hours after a dodgy curry and 40 degree Chennai heat. Let's face it, he was a hack and a home track bully.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Never played in Asia either. Would have liked to have seen him try to bat for hours after a dodgy curry and 40 degree Chennai heat. Let's face it, he was a hack and a home track bully.

He played in two innings in SL an averaged 10

 

[Burgey]

85/86 had Reid and McDermott right? That's still a damn good bowling attack. Going purely by names of course, which probably isn't a good assumption since for all I know they could've bowled garbage.

McDermott was 21 and Reid was on dayboo. As was Merv Hughes when he played in that series. It’s like when people look at the 85 aussie team and say Boon and Jones were there do it wasn’t bad. They weren’t the players they became later. They were very ordinary

Like, if Travis Head goes on to play 80 tests and average 40 plus, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a spud this current series.

 

[Burgey]

Likewise, check out the West Indian bowlers in the 1971 series. Epic stuff.

 

[cnerd123]

No you haven't (whatever record it may be).

You've never played test cricket in your life.

Jokes on you - turns out sunilz is actually Gavaskar's CW moniker.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

References for these claims, especially the last one?

I don't know if it is available now. I have seen these claims long back.
Also , Martin Crowe rated Sunny best of his era. It is still there in cricinfo , best batsman after Bradman.

 

[trundler]

After Kapil and Bradman surely

 

[Starfighter]

I don't know if it is available now. I have seen these claims long back.
Also , Martin Crowe rated Sunny best of his era. It is still there in cricinfo , best batsman after Bradman.

Martin Crowe was substantially too young to have seen even Sobers at his best, let alone, say, Hammond.

 

[marc71178]

I don't know if it is available now. I have seen these claims long back.

How convenient.

 

[trundler]

How convenient.

To be fair I've seen an article citing such stats too. Was a very dubious source though.

 

[ankitj]

Outside cw, most people seem to rate Gavaskar higher than Chappell. For instance Gavaskar has lot of votes (12) in Wisden 5 cricketers of the century exercise; Chappell had none. I find them impossible to split.

 

[trundler]

I see them as vastly different types of players but equal in quality. Apples and oranges.

 

[wpdavid]

Outside cw, most people seem to rate Gavaskar higher than Chappell. For instance Gavaskar has lot of votes (12) in Wisden 5 cricketers of the century exercise; Chappell had none. I find them impossible to split.

It's especially hard to split them when their roles were so different. And in terms of cricketers of the last century, maybe Gavaskar didn't lose votes from his countryfolk in the way that Chappell would have done to Bradman. Just pondering though. I wouldn't care to rank these guys against one another. It's just an interesting discussion over a quiet few days.

 

[wpdavid]

Likewise, check out the West Indian bowlers in the 1971 series. Epic stuff.

You beat me to it. Anyone claiming that Gavaskar's 774 aggregate in that series belongs in a discussion about how well he fared against the great WI pace attacks needs their head examining.

 

[trundler]

Maybe Gavaskar had greater significance but as players they're impossible to separate. Great at what they each did.