Richard
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I bet Warne did when he averaged 49.95 in his first 8 Tests.
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Is Tahir the answer to south africa's spinner problems ?
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Richard
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Eh? No, he hasn't been that for 3 years now. His consistency, unfortunately and inexplicably, vanished after the 2005/06 season, and his speed also dropped 7-8kph in that time.
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I don't get this. If you believe someone's good enough, and the selectors quite rightly did, then 8 tests is an excellent amount of time to take to adjust to test cricket. Barely anyone starts at the top of their game. If they'd given him more time in FC cricket he probably still would've underperformed for a few tests following his debut anyway.
Richard
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I don't know about that. One of the biggest reasons so many take a few Tests to get adjusted is that so many are picked prematurely.
I don't think Warne playing in 1991/92 was either a good piece of selection or something that benefited Warne in any way, shape or form. He was out-of-depth and it rebounded on him long-term when his record against India was assessed.
I honestly do find it quite conceivable that had Warne debuted in New Zealand in 1992/93 he'd have stepped straight up to the plate. I also wonder whether he'd have put-in the domestic performance that pretty well eluded him all career in the meantime while waiting.
I don't think Warne playing in 1991/92 was either a good piece of selection or something that benefited Warne in any way, shape or form. He was out-of-depth and it rebounded on him long-term when his record against India was assessed.
I honestly do find it quite conceivable that had Warne debuted in New Zealand in 1992/93 he'd have stepped straight up to the plate. I also wonder whether he'd have put-in the domestic performance that pretty well eluded him all career in the meantime while waiting.
Well then don't say he was a consistent bowler that troubled the aussies because a) He isn't consistent at all and b) If he was so consistent he would still be in the team wouldn't he
Richard
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For crying out loud. Nel was consistent 3 years ago (and for a fair while before that) and is not now.Cricketers do not stay the same all their lives. They get better and worse as their skills improve then decline.
Nel is a completely different bowler now than 3 years ago - sadly, nowhere near as good. Hence he's not a first-team regular any more.
Well then if he can not maintain performance quality it makes him inconsistent. Are you stupid ?
Cricketers do not stay the same all their lives. They get better and worse as their skills improve then decline.
Nel is a completely different bowler now than 3 years ago - sadly, nowhere near as good. Hence he's not a first-team regular any more.
Richard
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No it doesn't. It makes him consistently good, then consistently poor. That's notably different from following good with poor in the course of the same spell, innings, match, series, year or career.
No, I'm far cleverer than you have ever been, are or will ever be.
Oh okay Rich then look at this this is the first test between Australia and South africa and Australia at the Waca in 05. Below are Nel's figures:
1st innings: A Nel 17.2 - 3- 29- 3- 1.67
2nd innings: A Nel 28 - 2 - 104 - 1- 3.71
Oh yeah that is the sign of a real consistent bowler who troubled the aussies.
Okay then Rich. Well here are his figures from the 1st test against pakistan at centurion in 07.
1st innings:A Nel 26.5-3-100-3-3.72
2nd innings: A Nel 22-6- 69- 0- 3.13
And can you name a dropped catch off nels bowlling in the 1st waca test against the aussie in 05 that potentially affected his bowling figures.
1st innings:A Nel 26.5-3-100-3-3.72
2nd innings: A Nel 22-6- 69- 0- 3.13
And can you name a dropped catch off nels bowlling in the 1st waca test against the aussie in 05 that potentially affected his bowling figures.
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Rich has conceded defeat by not replying so obviously i have got you again
By not replying in 17 minutes? Stop being ridiculous, and stop baiting Richard. You've already had one ban for your recent behaviour, don't make it permanent.
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At least grapedo's consistent
By not replying in 17 minutes? Stop being ridiculous, and stop baiting Richard. You've already had one ban for your recent behaviour, don't make it permanent.
Richard
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And? Neither are terribly outstanding.
Yes, quite a few. And many others off other bowlers as well.
Haha... to borrow one of CW's most famous phrases, your stupidity is beyond comprehension. Both sets of figures above are good figures.
TT Boy
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Still no sign of Tahir as the Titans favour Paul Harris...
Interesting to hear that Titans coach, Richard Pybus has said that Tahir's spell with Hampshire has taken the fizz out of his bowling and his currently bowling too slow.
Okay well go ahead and name one. And the one against australia was the perfect example
Ans exactly what law have I broken ?
By not replying in 17 minutes? Stop being ridiculous, and stop baiting Richard. You've already had one ban for your recent behaviour, don't make it permanent.