Is Sehwag the greatest batsman on subcontinent wickets?

[h_hurricane]

Here is the list of all players who scored more than 1000 runs in Asia sorted by batting average.

Top 5 are Sobers, Hazare, Rohit, Fleming and Hussey.

Among the players with 6K + runs, Sanga, Sehwag, Tendulkar, Jayawardene and YK stand out.

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[_00_deathscar]

Sehwag's poor second innings record is a pretty big hole. Still, his SR probably gives him an edge over the others imo.

He’s winning you the game in the first innings though.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

As usual I can't be arsed to look it up, but there must have been occasions when Sehwag had the opportunity to enhance his reputation by scoring runs in the third or fourth innings and failed.

 

[sunilz]

As usual I can't be arsed to look it up, but there must have been occasions when Sehwag had the opportunity to enhance his reputation by scoring runs in the third or fourth innings and failed.

England 2012 tour comes to my mind.

 

[TheJediBrah]

He’s winning you the game in the first innings though.

This. It's a weird thing to hold against a player, because if someone of a certain statistical success level has a worse record in 2nd innings than another player with a similar record then by mathematical certainty they must be better in the first innings by an equal margin. And 1st innings performance is, if anything, more important to deciding outcomes than 2nd innings

 

[TheJediBrah]

Fun fact: Don Bradman actually averaged more (104.5) in the 2nd innings (ie. 3rd & 4th innings') than he did in the 1st innings (97)

 

[sunilz]

3rd& 4th innings average matter if you are playing a strong side. Test match rarely get decided in 1st/2nd innings between 2 strong sides.

 

[ImpatientLime]

Here is the list of all players who scored more than 1000 runs in Asia sorted by batting average.

Top 5 are Sobers, Hazare, Rohit, Fleming and Hussey.

Among the players with 6K + runs, Sanga, Sehwag, Tendulkar, Jayawardene and YK stand out.

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damn, cook with the most centuries of any non sub continent player is weird.

mominul haque is the biggest wtf on the whole list.

 

[OverratedSanity]

This. It's a weird thing to hold against a player, because if someone of a certain statistical success level has a worse record in 2nd innings than another player with a similar record then by mathematical certainty they must be better in the first innings by an equal margin. And 1st innings performance is, if anything, more important to deciding outcomes than 2nd innings

No I agree, but I guess the disparity being that massive shows that maybe if he played in another side which didnt have as strong a lineup as India did, the second innings failures would stand out much more because a lot of the time it didnt matter all that much, particularly in 2007-10 when everyone was firing.

 

[sunilz]

No I agree, but I guess the disparity being that massive shows that maybe if he played in another side which didnt have as strong a lineup as India did, the second innings failures would stand out much more because a lot of the time it didnt matter all that much, particularly in 2007-10 when everyone was firing.

Particularly in 4th innings against Australia in Mohali Test or Bangalore test (2010 )

 

[OverratedSanity]

Here is the list of all players who scored more than 1000 runs in Asia sorted by batting average.

Top 5 are Sobers, Hazare, Rohit, Fleming and Hussey.

Among the players with 6K + runs, Sanga, Sehwag, Tendulkar, Jayawardene and YK stand out.

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You know, like most other discussions like this, Tendulkar's probably better than everyone anyway but isnt mentioned because he was equally good away too. I dont think I'd pick Younis or Jayawardene over Sachin in Asia.

 

[Victor Ian]

How many times did he get out in 2nd innings because India wanted quick runs? In a **** side, Sehwag might not have been so cavalier.

 

[h_hurricane]

Talking about Sehwag and 2nd innings, that unforgettable 83(68) against England in 1st test of 2008 series stands out. Without that innings, India would have probably fallen short of target by 50-70 runs and best case scenario would have been settling for a draw. His counterattack ensured that we just had to get under 3 runs an over in the last day.

It was an ATG innings to be much celebrated. So was Sachin's 103* on the final day.

 

[bagapath]

if you leave the weak oppositions Bangladesh and Afghanistan and remove home advantage...

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[TheJediBrah]

How many times did he get out in 2nd innings because India wanted quick runs? In a **** side, Sehwag might not have been so cavalier.

very good point this. In a strong team 2nd innings batting is often declaration-influenced.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Sehwag might not have been so cavalier.

Pretty sure this is an oxymoron.

 

[The Sean]

Fun fact: Don Bradman actually averaged more (104.5) in the 2nd innings (ie. 3rd & 4th innings') than he did in the 1st innings (97)

Phoned it in when the match was there for the shaping on days one and two, but then coasted on the back of his teammates to get the second innings red ink and boost his average. Absolute hack.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

No one supporting Sehwag in this thread is in anyway influenced by the fact that Steve Smith also has a poor 2nd innings record.

 

[Migara]

Why exclude home though?

HTB and good in SC are not 100% inclusive.

 

[Migara]

Sehwag's SR gives him an edge here AFAIC. Its one thing to score that many runs that consistently but also to score them that quick means you are always ensuring your team has a chance to win even on the deadest of tracks.

Looking at how Sobers played spinners, I am sure his 75.6 also must have come in a hectic rate, not dissimilar to Shewag.