Is Hashim Amla be among strong contenders for a spot in the AT World XI?

[Zinzan]

Wouldn't even make the all-time SA XI

 

[Howe_zat]

Wouldn't even make the all-time SA XI

He probably does, just get de Villiers to keep wicket

1. Smith/Mitchell
2. Taylor
3. Amla
4. Kallis
5. Pollock, G
6. De Villiers+
7. Procter
8. Pollock, S
9. Tayfield
10. Steyn
11. Donald

You could easily come up with a side to leave him out I suppose, with Taylor at 3 and either both other openers or maybe Goddard opening in place of one of the all-rounders. I think I would pick him ahead of Pollock or AB as a specialist bat though.

 

[trundler]

He probably does, just get de Villiers to keep wicket

1. Smith/Mitchell
2. Taylor
3. Amla
4. Kallis
5. Pollock, G
6. De Villiers+
7. Procter
8. Pollock, S
9. Tayfield
10. Steyn
11. Donald

You could easily come up with a side to leave him out I suppose, with Taylor at 3 and either both other openers or maybe Goddard opening in place of one of the all-rounders. I think I would pick him ahead of Pollock or AB as a specialist bat though.

Dudley Nourse. You're leaving out SA's second best batsman IMO.

 

[Coronis]

Dudley Nourse. You're leaving out SA's second best batsman IMO.

Nah played in the black and white era

 

[StephenZA]

No Nourse, Richards or Faulkner?

Amla is still my favourite player ever. I would have happily had him in the SA all time XI up until the last 4 years of his career. But he just dropped of the cliff way to much.

 

[OverratedSanity]

No Nourse, Richards or Faulkner?

Amla is still my favourite player ever. I would have happily had him in the SA all time XI up until the last 4 years of his career. But he just dropped of the cliff way to much.

Amla's average was pretty much the same as AB after 110 tests or so. It plummeted well below after that.

 

[The Sean]

I don't think I'd quite pick him in an ATXI for South Africa, but he's not far off - and one of the arguments for him is that he was a genuine world class number 3, which SA haven't had many of.

 

[StephenZA]

Amla's average was pretty much the same as AB after 110 tests or so. It plummeted well below after that.

I think Amla was more of reason for SA success at the top than ABdVs batting contributions.

 

[Socerer 01]

would have had an outside shout if he didn’t decline so badly towards the end

such a great player despite that though, a real credit to SA cricket as a whole

 

[Pothas]

Dudley Nourse. You're leaving out SA's second best batsman IMO.

Feel like Nourse more than pretty much anyone else just lives in drafts. Was obviously very good but just don't know much about him. Think the only time he has even cropped up for me is reading about the timeless test. Played in a great era for batting as well.

 

[trundler]

Feel like Nourse more than pretty much anyone else just lives in drafts. Was obviously very good but just don't know much about him. Think the only time he has even cropped up for me is reading about the timeless test. Played in a great era for batting as well.

They still had matting wickets in South Africa so his home conditions were tougher than the rest of the world for batting. Spinners especially could wreak havoc on those decks which Grimmett and O'Reilly did by taking 71 wickets between them in 1935-36. Nourse averaged 57 including a double century in that series. Scored a double century in England too after the War. Never toured Australia sadly but that was the roadiest country at the time so he missed out if anything.

 

[Pothas]

Was extremely roady in that timeless test series, everyone scored millions. No idea what they were like after the war but that was pretty much peak run scoring era wasn't it.

 

[Archer6K]

Feel like Nourse more than pretty much anyone else just lives in drafts. Was obviously very good but just don't know much about him. Think the only time he has even cropped up for me is reading about the timeless test. Played in a great era for batting as well.

Quite a few batsman averaged more than Nourse during his career, Bradman, Worrell, Weekes, Harvey, Paynter, Barnes, Hammond, Leyland, Morris, Hutton, McCabe and Mitchell
I'm not suggesting that they're all better than him but that's quite a lot of batsman

 

[Coronis]

Quite a few batsman averaged more than Nourse during his career, Bradman, Worrell, Weekes, Harvey, Paynter, Barnes, Hammond, Leyland, Morris, Hutton, McCabe and Mitchell
I'm not suggesting that they're all better than him but that's quite a lot of batsman

Which includes undisputed ATG’s (Bradman, Hammond, Hutton), great players in their peaks (Mitchell, Morris), and players who were also peaking/lolsamplesize (Weekes, Worrell, Harvey, Paynter, Leyland). Barnes did play his whole career in that timeframe tbf but yeah, we all know his story.

Not a good way to analyse a player without context.

e.g I could point out that these players averaged higher than Tendulkar. Sharma, Mominul, Imran, Pujara, du Plessis, Chandimal, Sangakkara, Hodge, Kallis, Kambli.

 

[Archer6K]

Which includes undisputed ATG’s (Bradman, Hammond, Hutton), great players in their peaks (Mitchell, Morris), and players who were also peaking/lolsamplesize (Weekes, Worrell, Harvey, Paynter, Leyland). Barnes did play his whole career in that timeframe tbf but yeah, we all know his story.

Not a good way to analyse a player without context.

Fair enough, how many of those batsman would you say are better than Nourse?

 

[trundler]

Fair enough, how many of those batsman would you say are better than Nourse?

Probably only Bradman, Hammond and Hutton. He's on par with Weekes and better than the rest.

 

[Coronis]

Fair enough, how many of those batsman would you say are better than Nourse?

4 of them off the top of my head, others would require me to analyse a bit more. Maybe 1-2 others he could be compared to, though would likely come out on top.

 

[Coronis]

Actually upon a quick reconsideration, he has a case to fight with Weekes (minnow basher + HTB), so definitely just the three.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I think Amla was more of reason for SA success at the top than ABdVs batting contributions.

Yeah Amla had an amazing run for a few years where he was churning out hundred after hundred no matter where the game was being played, regardless of who was bowling to him. Felt like so many of SA's successful tours from 2008-2014 or so were built on Amla scoring a mountain of runs at the top of the order and Steyn producing a demon spell out of nowhere to blow the opposition away.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Actually upon a quick reconsideration, he has a case to fight with Weekes (minnow basher + HTB), so definitely just the three.

Bruce Mitchell has a case.