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Athlai

Not Terrible
Depends how it goes I suppose. 8 teams isn't it?
Which would mean 28 matches if every team plays one another. 2 weeks if you have two games a day.
Plus finals.

So you are right 3 weeks max for champions league probably not that hard to find a gap for.
 

brockley

International Captain
The article i posted was at the end of an article in the times,do a search for the times.
When ipl2 was on heard many of the games we're sold out,so hype eh.It is s africa tho.
Coverage was muted in australia manily because channel 10 put it on HD and not everyone had set top boxes,and 2nd it was not broadcast in the country,more a marketing flop by channel 10 here in australia.
But the interest nonetheless was way down here.
I am in the country so followed it on cricinfo,my main interest the fantasy cricketweb comp.
 

pasag

RTDAS
Easily do-able, just needs a window. It might have had one right from its inception had it not been rushed through, presumably said rushing through happened because of the ICL.
Problem is that it looks like the competition is going to grow and they're also talking about a second version per year making the window useless.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Depends how it goes I suppose. 8 teams isn't it?
Which would mean 28 matches if every team plays one another. 2 weeks if you have two games a day.
Plus finals.

So you are right 3 weeks max for champions league probably not that hard to find a gap for.
I think the plan was two groups of four, then semis and a final. So you're looking at 15 games, 16 if they do a 3rd place match.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
The article i posted was at the end of an article in the times,do a search for the times.
When ipl2 was on heard many of the games we're sold out,so hype eh.It is s africa tho.
Coverage was muted in australia manily because channel 10 put it on HD and not everyone had set top boxes,and 2nd it was not broadcast in the country,more a marketing flop by channel 10 here in australia.
But the interest nonetheless was way down here.
I am in the country so followed it on cricinfo,my main interest the fantasy cricketweb comp.
The IPL isn't aimed at Australian audiences. I've not looked at the marketing plan for it, but my bet would be that any interest in the competition outside India would come under the heading "bonus". Really, all that matters is how much interest there is within India.
 
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Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Problem is that it looks like the competition is going to grow and they're also talking about a second version per year making the window useless.
Yup, should in that post have said "the competition used to date". Some of the suggestions seem quite alarming, though it may, possibly, be a case of short-term pain for long-term gain. In that if the IPL is overdone it is quite likely to lose popularity much more quickly, so we might be shot of the problems altogether in less time than would have been the case if the first template had been the long-term one. Whereas if it wasn't overdone then the problems would be lesser.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Problem is that it looks like the competition is going to grow and they're also talking about a second version per year making the window useless.
Bingo. The owners have paid too much money. If it looks like it's not going well, they'll push for expansion and more games to get more cash rolling in. If it looks like its going well, they'll push for expansion and more games to get more cash rolling in.

Either way, BCCI will feel enormous pressure from the owners. Considering what the BCCI has also invested in this, it'll be hard for them to refuse or balance.
 

brockley

International Captain
Seems modi is a spinmeister like w bush or obama.
A 2nd ipl would be death i think,altho they may get a crowd in america.
2011/12 new teams so expansion,therefore more games,+ more overseas players.
The size of IPL1 good,but sides should be allowed to cut the contracts of non performing overseas players.
 
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vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
Bingo. The owners have paid too much money. If it looks like it's not going well, they'll push for expansion and more games to get more cash rolling in. If it looks like its going well, they'll push for expansion and more games to get more cash rolling in.

Either way, BCCI will feel enormous pressure from the owners. Considering what the BCCI has also invested in this, it'll be hard for them to refuse or balance.
Personally, I don't mind the idea of a long tournament, where games are a bit more sparse, might be four week blocks on and then a couple of weeks off. See a greater rotation of international players depending on who is available, and puts a greater emphasis on the quality of home-grown players. However, my question for you is this:

How long do you think the season should be? What happens to the local domestic structure if IPL is to be played over a longer period to be a season style format? Could it provide the impetus for a long term restructure of the first class system in India?
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Personally, I don't mind the idea of a long tournament, where games are a bit more sparse, might be four week blocks on and then a couple of weeks off. See a greater rotation of international players depending on who is available, and puts a greater emphasis on the quality of home-grown players. However, my question for you is this:

How long do you think the season should be? What happens to the local domestic structure if IPL is to be played over a longer period to be a season style format? Could it provide the impetus for a long term restructure of the first class system in India?
Let us be practical. If IPL is a long term success both financially and in sustaining public interest over time, we will have to say good bye to first class cricket eventually in India. Without getting emotional about it we need to understand the implications of that. It would stop the source of raw material for the longer version of the game at international level or Test matches.

There is no way interest in first class cricket can be sustained (involving thousands of young cricketers) just to prepare 20 cricketers for eventual selection for the Test side IF they have the option to "prepare" for getting into the shortest format viz 20-20 and then play for one of the IPL licensees.

Test cricket will eventually die in such an event, at least in a country like India.

This will mean, hypothetically, that you have eventually only one format of the game left 20-20.This may be all right purely from the commercial purpose and if stopped feeling sentimental. But if first class cricket and Test cricket did not remain the goals for young cricketers to strive for, all coaching, learning etc will be geared towards a different kind of cricket meaning technique and style. The mongoose bat is only a small beginning in such a hypothetical eventuality. Finally the game ends up looking almost nothing like the game we have known.

Trust me, I am not painting a doomsday scenario; just putting into words what could happen if the money and spectator interest came basically from T-20.

Okay. Fair enough. I will be dead and so will most of you one day. Maybe the future generations will be happy to play a game like that OR maybe the new fans will lose interest in that too. Of course by the time that happens it may be too late to get back to the old format

As long as it doesn't happen in the next twenty years, I should be okay. You guys have to live longer :)
 

brockley

International Captain
You paint a worrying picture sjs but you are correct.
Test matches are getting low crowds outside england and australia.
One dayers are oberp[layed and have lost the novelty attraction.
Maybe a bit too cynical you make a point.

At the moment 1 positive here in australia is 20/20 is growing as a lure which may win players from the football codes,1 example mitch marsh equally talented at afl as well as cricket.In the herald sun just recently their a couple articles about a talented 17 year old college kid who is the same,20/20 seen as a possible lure for the kid.
On your point of the IPL killing out domestic cricket,the IPL starts in march andd since most of the non internationals come from australia,s africa and india it will cut majorly into their season.

I fear a 2nd IPL in a year could do the same.
Players may have to choose between domestic cricket and ipl,case example andrew symmonds who will only play 20/20 tournaments now.
All valid points and i sincerely thank you for that point of view it is illuminating.
I am a christian and i believe in the prophetic,well you sound pretty prophetic too me.
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
Let us be practical. If IPL is a long term success both financially and in sustaining public interest over time, we will have to say good bye to first class cricket eventually in India. Without getting emotional about it we need to understand the implications of that. It would stop the source of raw material for the longer version of the game at international level or Test matches.

There is no way interest in first class cricket can be sustained (involving thousands of young cricketers) just to prepare 20 cricketers for eventual selection for the Test side IF they have the option to "prepare" for getting into the shortest format viz 20-20 and then play for one of the IPL licensees.

Test cricket will eventually die in such an event, at least in a country like India.

This will mean, hypothetically, that you have eventually only one format of the game left 20-20.This may be all right purely from the commercial purpose and if stopped feeling sentimental. But if first class cricket and Test cricket did not remain the goals for young cricketers to strive for, all coaching, learning etc will be geared towards a different kind of cricket meaning technique and style. The mongoose bat is only a small beginning in such a hypothetical eventuality. Finally the game ends up looking almost nothing like the game we have known.

Trust me, I am not painting a doomsday scenario; just putting into words what could happen if the money and spectator interest came basically from T-20.

Okay. Fair enough. I will be dead and so will most of you one day. Maybe the future generations will be happy to play a game like that OR maybe the new fans will lose interest in that too. Of course by the time that happens it may be too late to get back to the old format

As long as it doesn't happen in the next twenty years, I should be okay. You guys have to live longer :)
I'm thinking more in a medium term sense here. Whether this means that you could set up a structure where four five months of the year is IPL concentrated, and another 5 months is the normal first class structure. With a longer season, a greater premium is placed on the quality of the homegrown players.

Hopefully this encourages further development expenditure from the franchises, rather than reliance on cherry picking the best kids from the Indian system. The search for the kids will see them being signed up at younger and younger ages, and I'm sure that all those involved in the cricket operations side of these franchises understand that playing longer versions of the game is still going to be vital for the development of Twenty20, from a mental and technical point of view.

Over the long term, I think that there is the possiblity of a tie-in with franchises and FC cricket, more likely to be in an informal manner but from a cricketing sense, the franchises will have to understand that the more that they put into the system that provides them with their main resource, the greater on-field rewards (and by extension, increase likelihood of off-field returns) will be.
 
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silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
How long do you think the season should be? What happens to the local domestic structure if IPL is to be played over a longer period to be a season style format? Could it provide the impetus for a long term restructure of the first class system in India?
Should be? Shouldn't exist at all. How long will it end up being? I would say 3-5 months in duration, like some of the professional leagues.
As for the FC system, it's a matter of time before that dies. It's a complete black hole in terms of money, and probably the #1 expense of the BCCI (after lining their own pockets, that is). So if the whole reason for FC cricket (Tests) is not profitable either, why not just blood players in the IPL and ODI domestic leagues, and then pick them for Tests? It would be a disaster for the Test team, but the number of people who would actually care all that much is rapidly shrinking.
 

Dissector

International Debutant
Actually I am skeptical that there will be a significant audience for a much longer IPL. I suspect many will get bored of watching league games for months on end.

As for the first class system I don't think reducing the number of teams would necessarily be a bad thing. In fact it would probably raise the quality of cricket with the best teams playing each other more frequently.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
I'm thinking more in a medium term sense here. Whether this means that you could set up a structure where four five months of the year is IPL concentrated, and another 5 months is the normal first class structure. With a longer season, a greater premium is placed on the quality of the homegrown players.

Hopefully this encourages further development expenditure from the franchises, rather than reliance on cherry picking the best kids from the Indian system. The search for the kids will see them being signed up at younger and younger ages, and I'm sure that all those involved in the cricket operations side of these franchises understand that playing longer versions of the game is still going to be vital for the development of Twenty20, from a mental and technical point of view.

Over the long term, I think that there is the possiblity of a tie-in with franchises and FC cricket, more likely to be in an informal manner but from a cricketing sense, the franchises will have to understand that the more that they put into the system that provides them with their main resource, the greater on-field rewards (and by extension, increase likelihood of off-field returns) will be.
I suspect the problem is more severe in India (on the one hand) than in Australia and South Africa (on the other hand) for example. In India the base for traditional cricket is less strong, the younger population is already a massive proportion of the populace and growing at a phenomenal rate, the game is firmly in the hands of those with ABSOLUTELY NO LOVE for anything, as far as the game is concerned, but its money spinning worth and, of course, the money that can be made is phenomenally large. Add to that the fact that the drop in spectators for the longer version is much sharper here than in the other two (at least when playing countries like England, India and South Africa, and you can see that the problem not only emanates (sort of) from India but is also most acute in India.

This raises two very pertinent issues.

One, the more weight India carries (by which I mean BCCI and those who are in power in the Indian cricket structure) the more world cricket will be rocked (read radically challenged for irreversible and wide ranging changes to the game) in a manner that is harmful to the conventional game. The fact that this may finally kill the golden goose (something akin to the scenario I have painted) is not something that bothers the 'trader' community that is running the game in India today. I use the word 'trader' very carefully. Its not just because the Marwaris (Modi is a Marwari) are a trader community but because the trader has absolutely no long term strategies that tie him to a specific business. Manufacturers, also interested in the final goal of strengthening the bottom line, can see the costs involved in a change of product and manufacturing - not the trader. He sells one product today, another tomorrow, a third the day after.

I digress. So those in authority in Indian cricket consist of those who can't conceive of the goose being finally killed from the knife or the 'overwork' and those who don't want to and don't care. The former are too dumb and the later have too much of 'Marwari' blood in them to be enamoured to the goose. Thus, in an ironic manner, while India has the power (read moolah-generating capacity) to keep the game alive, it has all the other negatives that can kill it.

Its important that the world cricket community and the ICC realise this fact and devise their strategies accordingly.

Two, The salvation of the traditional form of the game may lie with the original three Test nations; of these Australia and South Africa are more important because of the strength of their cricket today and England because of its links with the game, with these two countries (and others) through cricket and with the traditions of the game. A split of the game into two blocks has often been talked of in recent times. Everytime someone brings up the topic, he is shouted down since no one wants to even think of such a 'terrible' scenario. Its a family, with its internal stresses and strains, both economic and cultural as the growing tribe moves in different directions, refusing to accept that the time may have come when a split may actually do less harm than sticking together for money but disagreeing violently on basic and vital issues.

ICC did not show the balls to call Packer's bluff in the 1970's they need to call India's now. Unfortunately their own house is in no better condition today than it was then. Controled by bureaucrats (read English clerks) they were too slow to react to anything that needed action when the game started going downhill in the fifties and it continued getting worse. This time round, buoyed by the greenbacks they have allowed the trader and the moneylender to throw out the lazy and procrastinating bureaucrat and while it may look that speed has been injected into the operations, greed has been the real addition and it has percolated all over the game and affected everyone who was involved in the game. More critically the money has brought in others, not traditionally involved with cricket, viz sponsors, marketing companies, players' agents, electronic media giants and so on. There is a chain through which the financial health of the game is now in the hands of these outside agencies and they are linked to the game through those who we term cricket authorities. It used to be MCC and then ICC but today it is BCCI who has ICC on the leash. Thus virtually, BCCI is the middleman through whom the other agencies excercise complete control of the game.

This link has to be broken.

But is ICC strong enough to do it? One wonders.
 
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aussie

Hall of Fame Member
This link has to be broken.

But is ICC strong enough to do it? One wonders.
They have to god damn it, i don't how but its gotta be done. The ICC needs to get a firm grip on this sport & become a true governing body.

The best option i can see is HOPEFULLY, those idiots runnings this game can see beyond the ideological box that they are living in & realise that for the next generation already i'd say, test cricket is dead. For example the black ppl in ENG are gaining interest in cricket MAINLY T20s just because they think its a fast way to make money like football, basketball or athletics - thats already an entire race pool of cricket talent lost for ENG already. Also I doubt whether younger West Indians are still growing up like Viv Richards, Sobers etc itching to trash ENG for historical reasons.

The focus needs to return to Test cricket>>>>>T20s or ODIs. Right now its the other way around, which is badddd. ICC needs to take control & put a lid on the excitement of T20s or tests will be dommed outside AUS, ENG & SA before we know it.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
They have to god damn it, i don't how but its gotta be done. The ICC needs to get a firm grip on this sport & become a true governing body.

The best option i can see is HOPEFULLY, those idiots runnings this game can see beyond the ideological box that they are living in & realise that for the next generation already i'd say, test cricket is dead. For example the black ppl in ENG are gaining interest in cricket MAINLY T20s just because they think its a fast way to make money like football, basketball or athletics - thats already an entire race pool of cricket talent lost for ENG already. Also I doubt whether younger West Indians are still growing up like Viv Richards, Sobers etc itching to trash ENG for historical reasons.

The focus needs to return to Test cricket>>>>>T20s or ODIs. Right now its the other way around, which is badddd. ICC needs to take control & put a lid on the excitement of T20s or tests will be dommed outside AUS, ENG & SA before we know it.
I agree with the sentiments in there but I doubt if the way forward is this.

Let me illustrate with an example.

Sorry. My reply was becoming too large and the example too interesting for me to limit it to this. I will put it on a bigger platform. Give me a day :)
 

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