Hick, Pietersen, D'Oliveira, AIW Greig, Pringle (Kenya is sub-Saharan Africa, anyway...), Strauss, Lamb.wpdavid said:A trivia question for anyone who's remotely interested.
Name the 8 players born in Southern Africa that have batted in England's top 6 since 1970.
Wasn't thinking about Pringle. Admittedly I didn't specify SA & Zim, but that's what I had in mind.Samuel_Vimes said:Hick, Pietersen, D'Oliveira, AIW Greig, Pringle (Kenya is sub-Saharan Africa, anyway...), Strauss, Lamb.
Dunno about the eighth, though...
That's the one I had in mind. He played a few tests in 1983 and 1983/4 without doing very much. Then he had a one-off test in 1986 - maybe the one you're thinking of? Very different player to his younger brother.Goughy said:Didnt Chris Smith (Robins older brother) get 1 test in the late '80s?
Pretty decent player if I recall
I think Phil Edmonds was born in Zambia : does that count ?wpdavid said:That's the one I had in mind. He played a few tests in 1983 and 1983/4 without doing very much. Then he had a one-off test in 1986 - maybe the one you're thinking of? Very different player to his younger brother.
atichon said:I think Phil Edmonds was born in Zambia : does that count ?
Tony Greig's younger brother Ian also played 2 tests without having much of an impact
EDIT : Didn't read the question carefully, they obviously didn't bat in the top 6, at least regularly, Edmonds batted 3 times in the top 6
But I just checked : Ian Greig batted at 8 so he doesn't count. Otherwise Neal Radford is another SA bowler who played for Englandwpdavid said:True, but tbh I'd completely forgotten about Greig Jnr. I was fishing for players that were basically natives of SA or Zim, whereas Edmonds is English to all intents & purposes. Still, Ian Greig now gives us 9 players from SA or Zim. It wouldn't be hard to put together a squad from SA, Zim, Aus & NZ - G. Jones, Caddick, McCague, and, I think, Mullally & White all spring immediately to mind.
Good call re. Radford another player from the 80's that I'd forgotten, but there were a heck of a lot of them.atichon said:But I just checked : Ian Greig batted at 8 so he doesn't count. Otherwise Neal Radford is another SA bowler who played for England
You didn't say they had to play tests I think so Matt Prior will do. He would keep wicketwpdavid said:Good call re. Radford another player from the 80's that I'd forgotten, but there were a heck of a lot of them.
That's 10 from SA or ZIm. Can we make a full XI from somewhere?
nope had to have played tests as i have said Matty Prioratichon said:You didn't say they had to play tests I think so Matt Prior will do. He would keep wicket
But Edmonds was born in Zambia and the original question was about the place of birth, not the nationality. And Zambia was part of Rhodesia at the time, if I remember well. So he should be counted.wpdavid said:True, but tbh I'd completely forgotten about Greig Jnr. I was fishing for players that were basically natives of SA or Zim, whereas Edmonds is English to all intents & purposes. Still, Ian Greig now gives us 9 players from SA or Zim. It wouldn't be hard to put together a squad from SA, Zim, Aus & NZ - G. Jones, Caddick, McCague, and, I think, Mullally & White all spring immediately to mind.
Northern Rhodesia became Zambia in 1964. Edmonds was therefore technically a Northern Rhodesian, like such luminaries as the "novelist" Wilbur Smith. Northern Rhodesia was obviously a part of the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland (Malawi).atichon said:But Edmonds was born in Zambia and the original question was about the place of birth, not the nationality. And Zambia was part of Rhodesia at the time, if I remember well. So he should be counted.
Has there ever been a test cricketer (or even a FC cricketer) born in France ?
Paul Parker - now there's a name I'd forgotten. Also a leading member of the "one-cap-wonder" XI. Blindingly good fielder, but batting not quite up to test standard, IIRC.BoyBrumby said:I'm fairly certain there haven't been any French-born test players, but there have been two German-born English test players (Donald Carr & Paul Terry), one Italian (Lord Ted) & **** Wescott of SA was born in Portugal.
& to make up the XI for Southern African-born Englishmen, Paul Parker (debut 1981) was born in Rhodesia (as was).
EDIT: "****" = popular diminutive of "Richard".