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ICC seriously considers 2 divisions,7/5 split.
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Black_Warrior
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Burgey vs ***** = MJ vs Kohli
honestbharani
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So we all know Zo is coming out on top? 
Black_Warrior
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As long as his ex gf doesn't show up for the World Cup semi final
Yeah, never understood why the common expectation is that cricket would fail in a 2nd division. League Two teams in the English football league gets to fill its stadiums. No reason why this should be any different.
Black_Warrior
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I think the comparison with Football, especially English football doesn't really stand. English football is deeply entrenched in English society, and your local football club is part of your identity as an individual, doesn't matter which division they play in.
Cricket is a very different kind of sport and you cannot expect Ireland vs West Indies test match to have the same appeal as Sheffield vs Southend who have their own loyal fans.
Ultimately the second tier teams will be starved for cash. The second tier teams get to earn decent income (and I am not just talking about gate ticket sales here) when they play an India or an Australia. This just won't happen when they are playing each other.
Cricket is a very different kind of sport and you cannot expect Ireland vs West Indies test match to have the same appeal as Sheffield vs Southend who have their own loyal fans.
Ultimately the second tier teams will be starved for cash. The second tier teams get to earn decent income (and I am not just talking about gate ticket sales here) when they play an India or an Australia. This just won't happen when they are playing each other.
Howe_zat
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The second tier teams, with the exception of West Indies, basically don't play Australia at the moment. And I'm not seeing too many Tests scheduled between India and Ireland right now either.
Black_Warrior
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A team like Bangladesh benefit financially from playing Pakistan and South Africa as well. Sri Lanka, West Indies get to play India, England, South Africa quite a bit.
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Prince EWS
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Yeah indeed.
I think it's important to realise what these changes are actually proposing. Currently the ICC doesn't mandate you to play anyone, and then after that you can play whoever you like. The proposal is that the ICC mandates that you play some the teams in your tier for five months of the year, and then after that you can play whoever you like.
It's not going to mean less 1 v 8 Tests, IMO. It's just going to mean more 8 v 10 Tests which are paid for by the ICC, and actually establish an entirely meritocratic path for associate nations.
I'm basically just waiting to hear the catch. It actually seems awesome to me, but there surely needs to be something in it for the big three for it to actually go ahead.
OverratedSanity
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Yes and that's not a good thing. A two tier structure removes any possibility of those series happening (or does it? I'm confused on whether cross tier series are actually possible ). Can't see how that's anything but a negative.
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Prince EWS
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No it doesn't. Not the one they're proposing, anyway.
Black_Warrior
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I don't think it's so much a catch. I think it's more about ICC trying to play the middle ground. Teams like Bangladesh are bound to raise Australia cancelling the tour or India never inviting Bangladesh for a full tour in ICC meetings repeatedly. India and Australia on the other hand make it clear why there is zero motivation to play any of the bottom ranked teams.
Prince EWS
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Yeah, they are under the proposal. If cross-tier series were banned or not considered Tests or whatever then that would obviously be terrible, but that's not what's being proposed.
India or Australia wouldn't have any more or less incentive or ability to play Bangladesh or Zimbabwe in Tests under this proposal than the status quo. The clincher though is that if Bangladesh managed to over-take the West Indies on the rankings at the right time under this proposal then India would have to play them.
At the moment there is no compulsory FTP. All tours are scheduled bilaterally. What's being proposed is that this stays the same for most of each year, but for part of each year the ICC mandates that you play some of the teams in your own tier. This actually sounds awesome to me, but some people just hear the word tiers and immediately think there'll be less cross-tier cricket for some reason.
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Magrat Garlick
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How would the matches be weighed across the tiers for promotion/relegation purposes though? Imagine if West Indies beats Australia a few months before the promotion series, but are 2nd to Bangladesh in the standings among the 2nd-tier countries...I think there would be a few shaking heads wondering why Bangladesh were to feature in the promotion series.
Daemon
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No it will not
Howe_zat
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Should just grin and bear it if so. You can still get relegated from the premier league if you win the FA cup. People will understand there's more than one competition.
Magrat Garlick
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Nah not if there's an "incompetent ICC kills cricket" angle to be found
straw man
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Yeah pretty much. Any level of compulsion to play test series will be an improvement over the current situation, however history says there will be a catch.
Black_Warrior
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Hurricane
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I am on the fence and would like to read more opinions/posts from CW.
It is inevitable that NZ will one day end up in 8th spot. Our kids who are 8 and 9 years old seem to be very very impressionable. They either play or don't play based on what they see happening on TV.
If they watch two years of NZ vs Zimbabwe then I could see our young sign ups go down by as much as 30%. I myself started cricket because I saw it on TV and then marched up to my mother as an eight year old and said I wanted to play cricket.
We will lose as many as ten thousand kids from playing cricket during those drought periods. That is significant.
On the other hand, in the years when we are in top grade it will be a great shot in the arm for NZ cricket with all the tests we will get to play.
Yeah I am glad I am not NZC at the moment and having to give input on this.
It is inevitable that NZ will one day end up in 8th spot. Our kids who are 8 and 9 years old seem to be very very impressionable. They either play or don't play based on what they see happening on TV.
If they watch two years of NZ vs Zimbabwe then I could see our young sign ups go down by as much as 30%. I myself started cricket because I saw it on TV and then marched up to my mother as an eight year old and said I wanted to play cricket.
We will lose as many as ten thousand kids from playing cricket during those drought periods. That is significant.
On the other hand, in the years when we are in top grade it will be a great shot in the arm for NZ cricket with all the tests we will get to play.
Yeah I am glad I am not NZC at the moment and having to give input on this.