silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
They've lost to three countries in a hundred years (and only once to one of those countries), it's been able to handle the ups and downs in talent. No one is winning anytime soon in Australia, IMHO.
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ICC considers repackaging Tests!
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LongHopCassidy
International Captain
Yes, and nobody is being crowned new world champion anytime soon. Noticing a correlation?
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
But I'm saying I don't think that should be the criteria. I think you can be the best team in the world even without beating Australia at home, depending on how you do at home and in other places relative to Australia.
LongHopCassidy
International Captain
But the changeover of world champions was never as emphatic or conclusive than when the challengers beat the champions in their backyard - witness the West Indies in 1994/95. Did you really believe SA was the best side in the world in 2005/06 when they topped the ICC Test rankings, but still got pasted by Australia?
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
The point is though that Australia could go 10-15 years more with out losing a Test series at home. But could be inconsistent as hell away from home. Other side could be more consistent at home and away, and therefore No 1. Really when West Indies took over as No 1, there really wasn't a defient No 1 they had to beat at home to claim the title. It is likely to be the same in future. Really what happened in the West Indies in 94/95 was the first time a real title battle was on since Australia and England regular battled for No 1, through the Ashes.
South Africa's ranking at No 1, was more to do with a poor ranking system then anything else.
LongHopCassidy
International Captain
I don't think that's going to eventuate though. Australia's FC system breeds a bowling attack that's largely adaptable to away Tests, especially in England, South Africa and the West Indies. Given the eclectic nature of their own home pitches, it's somewhat of a necessity anyway. What you're supposing is that Australia degenerates into something like the formerly Indian or latterly English model of cricket, while a better, more adaptable side adopts an FC model that's more conducive to what would usually be an Australian team makeup. So, in other words, the universe turns upside down.
What you're saying is hypothetically sound, but I think is fairly unlikely to happen. In light of that, I think the only conclusive way of determining a changeover is by defeat in a home series.
We have been blessed (cursed?) however, with two sides in 70/80s Windies and 90s/2000s Australia, that are good enough to consistently win away and support my theory of this 'changeover', in that they started to dominate in a way that happened incidentally after they began to beat the previous best in their backyard. The competitive climate in Test cricket could well change in that there's no clear dominator after Australia eventually lose at home, and ergo no single 'world champion' to be clearly determined.
Which would **** on my argument rather emphatically.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
No, because the ranking system sucks. CW one is better.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
I dont mind the idea of beating a team at home to take over as World Champs.
The one problem is that a team theorotically could go for generations (or forver) without ever playing the World Champs away.
Lets say in this model Aus are World Champs
England go to India and WIn
then
India go to Aus and Win (India now Champs)
.... Years later
England beat Pak
Pak beat India and become Champs
Eng go to India and win.
Basically, a team could win every Test match but because of circumstance and coincidence it is possible that they may never play the team called 'World Champs' and never get a chance to challenge for the title.
The one problem is that a team theorotically could go for generations (or forver) without ever playing the World Champs away.
Lets say in this model Aus are World Champs
England go to India and WIn
then
India go to Aus and Win (India now Champs)
.... Years later
England beat Pak
Pak beat India and become Champs
Eng go to India and win.
Basically, a team could win every Test match but because of circumstance and coincidence it is possible that they may never play the team called 'World Champs' and never get a chance to challenge for the title.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Double weird if Pakistan became world Champs and Australia wanted the title....
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah, echoing that.
Most of the posts in this thread seem to be about the prospect of a championship, but I think it's a non-issue tbh. I don't neccessarily think it'd add anything but I don't see the problem.
The real issue here is quote about scoring rates. If the ICC think Test match scoring rates are the problem, we're in serious trouble..
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah. Nothing wrong with Test cricket at the moment. Trying to encourage faster scoring in an age of fast scoring seems greedy and meddling.
One thing I would think long and hard about if it was proposed would be playing all International cricket in coloured clothing. Instinctively I dont like it but it doesnt change the fundamentals of the game and its hard to have a really valid agrument apart from 'its just wrong'.
One thing I would think long and hard about if it was proposed would be playing all International cricket in coloured clothing. Instinctively I dont like it but it doesnt change the fundamentals of the game and its hard to have a really valid agrument apart from 'its just wrong'.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
There could be problems with the red ball if we did that though.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
SA weren't ranked #1 in 05-06 though. Aus were, England were second and I think Pakistan and India were 3rd and 4th...
I think it was the previous time they met when SA were ranked 1 tbh, Australia have been unbroken at the top of the Test perch for quite some time now
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Indeed.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
SA weren't ranked #1 in 2005/06, it was 2002/03, a year after they'd lost 5-1 to Australia.
Anyway this whole World Championship idea is crap for mine - no need, same as there's never been. The Test "Championship" currently is nonsense and has been ever since the original simple concept was abandoned. It'd be best simply to return to the straighforward 2-points-for-a-win-1-for-a-draw thing, based on series only taking zero else into account. Obviously, with Zimbabwe and Bangladesh excluded. The most vital thing to do to make Test cricket more attractive than it currently is is to get rid of substandard teams, and no, that doesn't include New Zealand, Sri Lanka or West Indies. The idea of trying to manufacture an increase in scoring-rates is truly alarming.
As regards the "you go top when you beat the best at home" - no, you go top when you've got the best results against everyone. Had Sri Lanka won in Australia in 2004, or West Indies in 2005/06, that would most certainly not have made them the best Test team around. To be the best Test team going around, you need to perform against everyone.
Flem274*
123/5
Against coloured clothing. Dark clothing in the subcontinent would probably kill the players.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Not particularly keen on the idea of coloured clothing in Tests TBH but as Kev said, there's no reason not to other than "it's never been done that way".
I can't really see what good it'd do though. If you want day\night Tests you could easily have them in whites.
I can't really see what good it'd do though. If you want day\night Tests you could easily have them in whites.
LA ICE-E
State Captain
why are the so called "only test is real cricket" fans so against change? change doesn't always mean it's a bad thing. Test may be fine right now but some changes might make it better. The test ranking isn't perfect but it's good enough, plus if the test championship was between the top 2 then things like SA being #1 but being beaten by Australia wouldn't happen and Australia would be the test champion.