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I am a thread for Polite Discussion about Umpiring Errors as of post #57
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
ground first, bat next, fielder's hand last.. out in all forms of cricket (I could be wrong about the game you are talking about, though)
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
youtoob it
Daemon
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Harbhajan Singh Hat-Trick Against Australia - YouTube
Pause exactly at 2:14
It's pretty much impossible to say whether it hit the bat first or the ground imo. Don't know how either of you can be convinced it's one and not the other.
Pause exactly at 2:14
It's pretty much impossible to say whether it hit the bat first or the ground imo. Don't know how either of you can be convinced it's one and not the other.
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ganeshran
International Debutant
Wrong umpiring decisions against Sachin
1] 92 - out of a NO ball from Frankline Rose against West Indies in 1997 at Bridgetown... Remember India lost the test just by 38 runs..U can just imagine how much that bad decision effected the result of the match!!!
2] 83 - Out of a NO ball again...[don' t remember the bowler] last test in WestIndies in 1997.Draw Test.
3] 67- LBW off Crains..last test against NewZealand in 1999, was not out coz the ball pitched outside the legstump.Match Drawn
4] 61 - caught at forward shortleg,bowler Shane Warne.against Australia at Adelaide in 1999... the ball touched the thigh pads and Umpire Darel Harper gave him out.. India were 107 for 4 when Ganguly joined Sachin and they put on 108 runs for the 5th wicket.
5] 0 - LBW bowler Macgrath...against Australia at Adelaide in 1999,same test, nothing more to say..Everyone remember that FOOLISH decision
6] 52 - LBW bowler Shane Warne,Umpire David Shepherd,against Australia at Melbourne in 1999, were chasing 356 as a target on the fourth day.
7] 45 - LBW bowler Macgrath,UmpireIan Robinson,against Australia at Sydney in 2000, the ball seemed to hit him too high and was going on leg stump, In that very over,Tendulkar had pulled a short one from Macgrath for two,and hooked the next two for boundaries
8] 16 - caught behind off Waqar Younis,against Pakistan at Perth in 2000, it was must win situation for India to qualify in the final , scored 16 runs of 9 balls,hitted 3 fours in one over of Waqar Younis and 1 off Wasim Akram on the fastest pitch of the world,India were chasing 260 odd runs…
9] got lbw by donald in titan cup in 1996 when he scored 28
10] got cb of a no ball of fleming ( aus) in pepsi cup final in 1998 when he was at 15 in INDIA ( DELHI)
11) got caught off a no ball by IAN bishop when he was at 92 in WI..BARNEDOSE TEST in 1997
12) got cb of ambrose despite of ball touched the shoulder only when he was on 44 in 1997 ODI vs WI
13) got caught by rhodes vs sa despite the ball was taken from ground by rhodes in 1996 in SA when he was on 32
14) got wrong lbw decision off VAAS in the SL in 1997 when he was on 6 in ODI
15) got wrong lbw vs pak off AZHAR MAHMOOD in 1997 in toronto when he was at 51
16) got wrong cb off a no ball of fleming vs aus at sharjah semifinal( cocacola cup) in 1998 when he was at 143. Sachin didnt wait for Umpire's signal.
17) got wrong lbw ( pitched outside of legstump & going outside of off stump !!!) of kasprowich at sharjah final vs aus in 1998. When he was at 134
18) got doubtfull stump out decision ( may be may not be 50-50) vs srilanka in colombo final when he was at 128
19) got wrongly out cb off VAAS in sharjah in 1998
20) got wrongly lbw ( ball was going way down the leg side) off NASH vs nz in HAMILTON TEST in 1999 when he was on 67
21) got wrongly lbw off CHRIS CAIRNS vs nz in nz in 1999 in the 4th ODI
22) got wrongly lbw off saqlin mustaq ( pitched outside of leg stump) vs pak at delhi TEST in 1999 when he was at 6
23) One controversial run out by the obstruction of shoaib ( as bucknor did not apply the obstrucklr rule surprisingly )in EDEN vs PAK TEST in 1999 ( may or may not be but unfortunate for sure)
24) wrong bat--pad catch off shane warne when he was at 61 vs aus in adelaide TEST in aus in 1999
25) got wrong lbw of mcgrath (when he was ducking & short pitch hit the shoulder !!!) at 0 in delaide test 2nd innings. after that got a bit dubious lbw off warns at 2nd innings in MCG test vs aus when he was at 52..u can give that out despite of long stride forward...so i am not considering it...
26) got wrong lbw decision of mcgrath in sydney test 1st innings [when the ball way way going down the leg side!!!!](only an aussie umpire can give that) when he was at 45
27) got a shocking caught behind decision vs pak in PERTH ODI in 1999 when he was at 17..( that ball flicked thendulkar's shirt(jersy) went to the keeper & umpire TOFFO gave caught behind.
28) got wrong lbw off pollock at FARIDABAD ODI vs SA in INDIA in 2000
29) got wrong lbw off SHOAIB akhtar in sharjah ODI vs pak in 2000 when he was at 11 (it was an inside edge & then pad... but given lbw)
30) got wrong lbw decision of abdul razzak vs pak in dhaka in asia cup odi when he was on 25 in year 2000...that ball way going down the leg side & clearly missing the stumps.
31) got caught out off a NO BALL from GILLESPIE in 2001 INDIA vs AUS 3rd test 2nd innings in chennai when he was at 17......
32] in 2002 wi tour 3 out of 4 lbws were wrong given to tendulkar...all was done by ashoka desilva...lbw by cuffy at port of spain test at 1st innings when he was on 117
33) lbw by sanford at port of spain test 2nd innings vs WI when he was on 0
34) lbw by dillon at bridgetown test when he was at 8....All the deleveries were going way over the stumps & adjudged lbw by ashoka desilva...
35) wrong lbw off ORAM given by ashoka desilva again at wellington test in 2002 1st innings...ball was going over the stumps....when he was at 8
36) again wrong lbw given off BOND in wellington ODI in 2002 nz tour by billy bowden...
37) given wrong lbw by S K BANSAL at cuttack ODI off MIILS vs nz when he was at 14 in 2003....
38) given wrong lbw by bucknor at brisbane test off gillespie in 2003...where the ball was going clearly over the top
39) given wrong caughtbehind off brett lee down the leg side. !!!at MCG TEST in 2003
40) given wrong lbw off UMAR GUL at LAHORE TEST vs PAK in 2004..ball was missing the stump & was going way over...
41) got a terrible caught behind decision off razzak at EDEN TEST vs PAK by umpire BUCKNOR !!! where the ball was going miles away from bat..& he was on 52....
42) One terrible series where 4 out of 5 dismissals were wrong in 2005....lbw off muralitharan at CHENNAI TEST when he was on 22...u can call it 50-50 though in 2005...
43) lbw off muralitharan at delhi test where ball pitched out side of leg stump & baman was long stride in 2005... when he was at 109..
44) In 2005 lbw off BANDARA at DELHI TEST when he was long stride forward & ball was going clearly over the top..when he was on 16..
45) lbw off DILSHAN when there was a clear INSIDE EDGE..when he was on 19 in Ahmedabad test in 2005..
46) got wrong caught behind off POLLOCK vs SA in 2005 inn BANGALORE ODI...
47) got wrong lbw off ARSHAD KHAN..when the ball hit the GLAVES & then pad after 100 in PESHWAR ODI vs PAK in 2006...
48) got wrong lbw off MONTY PANESOR at NAGPUR test vs ENG when he was on 16 in 2006
49) got wrong lbw decisions off pollock by pak umpire ASHAD RAUF at KEPTOWN TEST 2nd innings vs SA in 2007. Ball was way down the leg side.
50) got a shocking lbw in TENT BRIDGE TEST vs ENG off collingwood of a wide ball out side off -stump in 2007!!!by umpire TOFFO& umpire aplogized later for that. When he was on 91....
51) got a wrong lbw decision off BRACKEN vs AUS in ADELAIDE ODI in 2008 when he was on 5...
52) got a wrong lbw decision again off LEE vs AUS in 2008 at SCG ODI...
53] Got a controversial lbw decision off DAMIKA PRASAD vs SRILANKA in GALLE TEST ...a possible inside edge however keeping it 50-50
54] Got a wrong lbw decision off SWANN vs ENG at MOHALI TEST
55] Last ODI of eng series 2007 ct behind by Aleem Dar. He realized that he made a mistake. But he didnt changed his decision. And the explanation after the match was, "I knew he was not out. But i dont have a habbit of changing my decision". Ex cricketers like nassir hussain had critisized this.
56] LBW off Colling wood in the first test. When sachin was on 91. The decision by Simon Tauffel who won the ICC award for best umpire for the third consecutive time, that year. In 2008.
57] One more decision in that same tour, he was heading towards another ton.
58] third test against aus. lbw by asad rauf. 2008. The ball was going away from off stump.
59] India vs Aus Third test he was dismissed by umpire on 71. He scored centuries in the second and fourth tests. - Lee to Tendulkar, OUT, the ball hit him on the top of the pad and at the time of contact Tendulkar was jumping in the air, Lee appeals confidently and umpire Rauf eventually raises the finger... replays show it was indeed high and going over the top of the stumps. Check in Cricinfo
60] First ODI 2009 Srilanka Tour of India. Kumara Dharmasena's first decision as Umpire. Ball pitched out side the line of leg stump. Bowler - Thushara.
61] Second ODI 2009 Srilanka Tour of India. In the next match. Ball was going outside leg stump. Bowler - Kulasekhara
62] Third ODI 2009 Srilanka Tour of India. Hat trick. In the next match also. Ball was going towards outside of the leg stump. Bowler - D. Fernando.
63] Australia tour of India, 4th ODI: India v Australia at Mohali, Nov 2, 2009. Cricinfo - "Hauritz to Tendulkar, OUT, tosses it up on middle and gets it to turn in, Tendulkar tries to work it with the turn but the ball clips the pads, it wasn't really adjacent to the stumps but umpire de Silva was convinced. Not a very straightforward lbw"
1] 92 - out of a NO ball from Frankline Rose against West Indies in 1997 at Bridgetown... Remember India lost the test just by 38 runs..U can just imagine how much that bad decision effected the result of the match!!!
2] 83 - Out of a NO ball again...[don' t remember the bowler] last test in WestIndies in 1997.Draw Test.
3] 67- LBW off Crains..last test against NewZealand in 1999, was not out coz the ball pitched outside the legstump.Match Drawn
4] 61 - caught at forward shortleg,bowler Shane Warne.against Australia at Adelaide in 1999... the ball touched the thigh pads and Umpire Darel Harper gave him out.. India were 107 for 4 when Ganguly joined Sachin and they put on 108 runs for the 5th wicket.
5] 0 - LBW bowler Macgrath...against Australia at Adelaide in 1999,same test, nothing more to say..Everyone remember that FOOLISH decision
6] 52 - LBW bowler Shane Warne,Umpire David Shepherd,against Australia at Melbourne in 1999, were chasing 356 as a target on the fourth day.
7] 45 - LBW bowler Macgrath,UmpireIan Robinson,against Australia at Sydney in 2000, the ball seemed to hit him too high and was going on leg stump, In that very over,Tendulkar had pulled a short one from Macgrath for two,and hooked the next two for boundaries
8] 16 - caught behind off Waqar Younis,against Pakistan at Perth in 2000, it was must win situation for India to qualify in the final , scored 16 runs of 9 balls,hitted 3 fours in one over of Waqar Younis and 1 off Wasim Akram on the fastest pitch of the world,India were chasing 260 odd runs…
9] got lbw by donald in titan cup in 1996 when he scored 28
10] got cb of a no ball of fleming ( aus) in pepsi cup final in 1998 when he was at 15 in INDIA ( DELHI)
11) got caught off a no ball by IAN bishop when he was at 92 in WI..BARNEDOSE TEST in 1997
12) got cb of ambrose despite of ball touched the shoulder only when he was on 44 in 1997 ODI vs WI
13) got caught by rhodes vs sa despite the ball was taken from ground by rhodes in 1996 in SA when he was on 32
14) got wrong lbw decision off VAAS in the SL in 1997 when he was on 6 in ODI
15) got wrong lbw vs pak off AZHAR MAHMOOD in 1997 in toronto when he was at 51
16) got wrong cb off a no ball of fleming vs aus at sharjah semifinal( cocacola cup) in 1998 when he was at 143. Sachin didnt wait for Umpire's signal.
17) got wrong lbw ( pitched outside of legstump & going outside of off stump !!!) of kasprowich at sharjah final vs aus in 1998. When he was at 134
18) got doubtfull stump out decision ( may be may not be 50-50) vs srilanka in colombo final when he was at 128
19) got wrongly out cb off VAAS in sharjah in 1998
20) got wrongly lbw ( ball was going way down the leg side) off NASH vs nz in HAMILTON TEST in 1999 when he was on 67
21) got wrongly lbw off CHRIS CAIRNS vs nz in nz in 1999 in the 4th ODI
22) got wrongly lbw off saqlin mustaq ( pitched outside of leg stump) vs pak at delhi TEST in 1999 when he was at 6
23) One controversial run out by the obstruction of shoaib ( as bucknor did not apply the obstrucklr rule surprisingly )in EDEN vs PAK TEST in 1999 ( may or may not be but unfortunate for sure)
24) wrong bat--pad catch off shane warne when he was at 61 vs aus in adelaide TEST in aus in 1999
25) got wrong lbw of mcgrath (when he was ducking & short pitch hit the shoulder !!!) at 0 in delaide test 2nd innings. after that got a bit dubious lbw off warns at 2nd innings in MCG test vs aus when he was at 52..u can give that out despite of long stride forward...so i am not considering it...
26) got wrong lbw decision of mcgrath in sydney test 1st innings [when the ball way way going down the leg side!!!!](only an aussie umpire can give that) when he was at 45
27) got a shocking caught behind decision vs pak in PERTH ODI in 1999 when he was at 17..( that ball flicked thendulkar's shirt(jersy) went to the keeper & umpire TOFFO gave caught behind.
28) got wrong lbw off pollock at FARIDABAD ODI vs SA in INDIA in 2000
29) got wrong lbw off SHOAIB akhtar in sharjah ODI vs pak in 2000 when he was at 11 (it was an inside edge & then pad... but given lbw)
30) got wrong lbw decision of abdul razzak vs pak in dhaka in asia cup odi when he was on 25 in year 2000...that ball way going down the leg side & clearly missing the stumps.
31) got caught out off a NO BALL from GILLESPIE in 2001 INDIA vs AUS 3rd test 2nd innings in chennai when he was at 17......
32] in 2002 wi tour 3 out of 4 lbws were wrong given to tendulkar...all was done by ashoka desilva...lbw by cuffy at port of spain test at 1st innings when he was on 117
33) lbw by sanford at port of spain test 2nd innings vs WI when he was on 0
34) lbw by dillon at bridgetown test when he was at 8....All the deleveries were going way over the stumps & adjudged lbw by ashoka desilva...
35) wrong lbw off ORAM given by ashoka desilva again at wellington test in 2002 1st innings...ball was going over the stumps....when he was at 8
36) again wrong lbw given off BOND in wellington ODI in 2002 nz tour by billy bowden...
37) given wrong lbw by S K BANSAL at cuttack ODI off MIILS vs nz when he was at 14 in 2003....
38) given wrong lbw by bucknor at brisbane test off gillespie in 2003...where the ball was going clearly over the top
39) given wrong caughtbehind off brett lee down the leg side. !!!at MCG TEST in 2003
40) given wrong lbw off UMAR GUL at LAHORE TEST vs PAK in 2004..ball was missing the stump & was going way over...
41) got a terrible caught behind decision off razzak at EDEN TEST vs PAK by umpire BUCKNOR !!! where the ball was going miles away from bat..& he was on 52....
42) One terrible series where 4 out of 5 dismissals were wrong in 2005....lbw off muralitharan at CHENNAI TEST when he was on 22...u can call it 50-50 though in 2005...
43) lbw off muralitharan at delhi test where ball pitched out side of leg stump & baman was long stride in 2005... when he was at 109..
44) In 2005 lbw off BANDARA at DELHI TEST when he was long stride forward & ball was going clearly over the top..when he was on 16..
45) lbw off DILSHAN when there was a clear INSIDE EDGE..when he was on 19 in Ahmedabad test in 2005..
46) got wrong caught behind off POLLOCK vs SA in 2005 inn BANGALORE ODI...
47) got wrong lbw off ARSHAD KHAN..when the ball hit the GLAVES & then pad after 100 in PESHWAR ODI vs PAK in 2006...
48) got wrong lbw off MONTY PANESOR at NAGPUR test vs ENG when he was on 16 in 2006
49) got wrong lbw decisions off pollock by pak umpire ASHAD RAUF at KEPTOWN TEST 2nd innings vs SA in 2007. Ball was way down the leg side.
50) got a shocking lbw in TENT BRIDGE TEST vs ENG off collingwood of a wide ball out side off -stump in 2007!!!by umpire TOFFO& umpire aplogized later for that. When he was on 91....
51) got a wrong lbw decision off BRACKEN vs AUS in ADELAIDE ODI in 2008 when he was on 5...
52) got a wrong lbw decision again off LEE vs AUS in 2008 at SCG ODI...
53] Got a controversial lbw decision off DAMIKA PRASAD vs SRILANKA in GALLE TEST ...a possible inside edge however keeping it 50-50
54] Got a wrong lbw decision off SWANN vs ENG at MOHALI TEST
55] Last ODI of eng series 2007 ct behind by Aleem Dar. He realized that he made a mistake. But he didnt changed his decision. And the explanation after the match was, "I knew he was not out. But i dont have a habbit of changing my decision". Ex cricketers like nassir hussain had critisized this.
56] LBW off Colling wood in the first test. When sachin was on 91. The decision by Simon Tauffel who won the ICC award for best umpire for the third consecutive time, that year. In 2008.
57] One more decision in that same tour, he was heading towards another ton.
58] third test against aus. lbw by asad rauf. 2008. The ball was going away from off stump.
59] India vs Aus Third test he was dismissed by umpire on 71. He scored centuries in the second and fourth tests. - Lee to Tendulkar, OUT, the ball hit him on the top of the pad and at the time of contact Tendulkar was jumping in the air, Lee appeals confidently and umpire Rauf eventually raises the finger... replays show it was indeed high and going over the top of the stumps. Check in Cricinfo
60] First ODI 2009 Srilanka Tour of India. Kumara Dharmasena's first decision as Umpire. Ball pitched out side the line of leg stump. Bowler - Thushara.
61] Second ODI 2009 Srilanka Tour of India. In the next match. Ball was going outside leg stump. Bowler - Kulasekhara
62] Third ODI 2009 Srilanka Tour of India. Hat trick. In the next match also. Ball was going towards outside of the leg stump. Bowler - D. Fernando.
63] Australia tour of India, 4th ODI: India v Australia at Mohali, Nov 2, 2009. Cricinfo - "Hauritz to Tendulkar, OUT, tosses it up on middle and gets it to turn in, Tendulkar tries to work it with the turn but the ball clips the pads, it wasn't really adjacent to the stumps but umpire de Silva was convinced. Not a very straightforward lbw"
robelinda
International Vice-Captain
That list is complete garbage. At least half of those were OUT OUT OUT. You don't get any more PLUMB LBW that that one sited as #6. Middle stump out of the ground. That website that posted that list is is a shocker, bias at its very best. Also the same dismissals are mentioned more than once (McGrath Adelaide 99 etc), so the final tally is all over the place.
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ganeshran
International Debutant
Robe, I am sure you have many of the clips.mentioned in the list. I will remove any that are not correct.
But this list puts into perspective the accusation that Sachin gets the benefit of dubious umpiring decisions. I have personally seen at least 20 in the list and can confirm the list is spot on about them. He got three consecutive crappy lbws off dharmasena in a single series. That video is there on youtube as well.
[youtube]Jp_zV94l2pY[/youtube]
Edit. dont know how to embed youtube videos here. Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp_zV94l2pY
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centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
lol urds wasn't there for 20 years of his career ^^^^
btw why weren't the bad calls from tendulkar's first 6-7 years not included?
and i agree with robelinda that only about half were dubious...
btw why weren't the bad calls from tendulkar's first 6-7 years not included?
and i agree with robelinda that only about half were dubious...
uvelocity
International Coach
Spark
Global Moderator
Hey guys, I have an idea!
I'm gonna go through every single international Ricky Ponting innings to find every decision that was somewhat questionable and dubious and make a list to post here. Then I'm going to go through every Brian Lara innings to list every decision that was somewhat questionable or dubious. Then I'll do the same for Steve Waugh. And for good measure, let's throw in Jacques Kallis too. And Mahela Jayawardene.
And then we'll all realise that A. genuine howlers that are beyond debate occur to everyone occasionally and at random, and B. they're a part of cricket and in the era of neutral umpires, screaming bias one way another based on a few howlers is really quite debilitatingly dull and people should just accept that in lieu of a system designed to eliminate them (HINT HINT) they'll keep ****ing happening to everyone.
And then I'm gonna find a ****ing gun and shoot myself in the head because clearly if I've sunk to such depths I have no purpose in life and it would be best if I did everyone a favour and stopped wasting their oxygen.
FMD.
I'm gonna go through every single international Ricky Ponting innings to find every decision that was somewhat questionable and dubious and make a list to post here. Then I'm going to go through every Brian Lara innings to list every decision that was somewhat questionable or dubious. Then I'll do the same for Steve Waugh. And for good measure, let's throw in Jacques Kallis too. And Mahela Jayawardene.
And then we'll all realise that A. genuine howlers that are beyond debate occur to everyone occasionally and at random, and B. they're a part of cricket and in the era of neutral umpires, screaming bias one way another based on a few howlers is really quite debilitatingly dull and people should just accept that in lieu of a system designed to eliminate them (HINT HINT) they'll keep ****ing happening to everyone.
And then I'm gonna find a ****ing gun and shoot myself in the head because clearly if I've sunk to such depths I have no purpose in life and it would be best if I did everyone a favour and stopped wasting their oxygen.
FMD.