Satyanash89
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Ah my bad, somehow missed it... cheersI already put Steyn's graph up. The numbers are in there.
Ah my bad, somehow missed it... cheersI already put Steyn's graph up. The numbers are in there.
OMG YUS A THREAD WITH GRAPHS IN
I mean, ah, that's interesting Harsh. One thing I notice is that Underwood seemed to take relatively few tailend wickets compared to all the other spinners.
I really don't rate Wasim that highly, and from my boyhood days I really admired and feared Waqar much more. So no real shock to me.Thanks
Waqar's record seems superior to Wasim, what do you think?
Wasim is so good. So so good. One of my favourite bowlers ever.I really don't rate Wasim that highly, and from my boyhood days I really admired and feared Waqar much more. So no real shock to me.
Really think Wasim is one of the most over rated bowlers and cricketers over all, a great bowler for sure, but no where near where some rate him, at least not for test cricket.
Why not? No reason to underestimate late order resistance. A bowler who can clean the tail up quickly does his team a service as the many late order fightbacks in cricket proves.Great job Harsh.
Top and middle just important, don't want to high a percentage of the lower order though.
I think Nobby Clark from England had about 87% top order wickets.The bowlers with the lowest tail-end per cent are
Bond - 17.2 (Small sample though)
Sylvestre Clarke - 19.0 (Very small sample again 42 wickets in total. Statistically not enough to make comparisons)
Larwood - 19.2
Cowie (Same as Clarke, his 9 tests and 45 wickets are barely a sample) - 22.2
Miller - 22.4 (The best of the all-rounders by far)
Fazal Mahmood - 23.7
P.S. Added Peter Pollock to SA's post, if anybody is interested (Page 1)
Just a couple of points raised in the thread. First up I don't think the circumstances that Nufan highlighted occur often enough to question the graphs. Besides its a bowler's job to remove nightwatchmen asap. And nighwatchmen succeed often enough for them to be a legit top order wicket.As an opening bowler your job is to take top order wickets, not to clean up the tail. If you have more tail end wickets than top 3, or even middle order, then you are not taking care of your primary responsibility.
Just my opinion.
Yeah, I was going to put Adcock's figures in, but got lazy There are now on the SA's post on Page 1 with the rest of the bowlers, and I am putting Peter Pollock and his graph here as well for you:Lovely analysis. How does Neil Adcock compare to Peter Pollock - given the similar number of Tests and that effectively Pollock was the new Adcock?
Just 8 tests and 32 wickets though. Don't know how much we can infer from that (I know I shouldn't have put up Clarke and Cowie either, but couldn't help it )I think Nobby Clark from England had about 87% top order wickets.
You are right of course, but the nightwatchman thing must cancel out for all bowlers. Also, would I prefer somebody like Fazal Mahmood (tail-end % - 23) to Wasim (35)? I am guessing, as NasserFan said, it reflects less competition for top order wickets. What is surprising to me is that Waqar has a lower percentage of tail-end wickets compared to Wasim.I always thought his yorkers would be extremely potent against tali-enders, but I guess Wasim was better at that..Just a couple of points raised in the thread. First up I don't think the circumstances that Nufan highlighted occur often enough to question the graphs. Besides its a bowler's job to remove nightwatchmen asap. And nighwatchmen succeed often enough for them to be a legit top order wicket.
Satyanash is right. If you clean up the tail after removing the openers you're penalised by the perception you are a tail order basher. Its the job of fast bowlers to get the openers and come back and quash the tail. Akram did that expertly so I think his high no of tail ender wkts proves he did his job.
So much Lyon love, here. Heartening. Here you go (you might not like this):nathan lyon please
As a lifelong Lancashire supporter I have to agree with this - decent player yes but, should have turned in many more matchwinning performances than he didI really don't rate Wasim that highly, and from my boyhood days I really admired and feared Waqar much more. So no real shock to me.
Really think Wasim is one of the most over rated bowlers and cricketers over all, a great bowler for sure, but no where near where some rate him, at least not for test cricket.