Get rid of cricket's minnows - Ponting

[archie mac]

no, they'd come last..

Franchise cricket? No, they'd come last...

Well they could play with me here in 5th grade in Canberra

 

[Autobahn]

Well india didn't win a test for nearly 10 years and the only reason the lost column doesn't look bad is because there was far less test cricket played back then, the same goes for New Zealand.

It takes a while for a new country to get up to speed with other etablished test-playing nations, to suddenly decide to stop them playing test cricket because people don't think they are good enough would be very short-sighted and stupid.

And to be honest Bangladesh won't get better playing Franchise or grade cricket they need to play the best in order to mold themselves into a competitive unit.

 

[Blaze]

Let them play ODI cricket but not Test cricket they are not good enough. NZ were not that bad they managed a lot of draws early on. What did Aust. do they sent their 2nd 11 to NZ not their best team.

It took us 26 years to win a test.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Well india didn't win a test for nearly 10 years and the only reason the lost column doesn't look bad is because there was far less test cricket played back then, the same goes for New Zealand.

It takes a while for a new country to get up to speed with other etablished test-playing nations, to suddenly decide to stop them playing test cricket because people don't think they are good enough would be very short-sighted and stupid.

And to be honest Bangladesh won't get better playing Franchise or grade cricket they need to play the best in order to mold themselves into a competitive unit.

That's Ponting for you. If he's going to whine so much he should at least make sure he gets things right - but invariably he's wrong. I'm beginning to think comparing Ponting with George W or a chimp would be an insult to their 'intelligence'.

 

[archie mac]

It took us 26 years to win a test.

True but a lot of the Tests NZ played in their early days were of 3 days duration and caused a lot of draws, some times they were even in a wining posi.

The Bangas have only won one Test, and that was the only one where they should have won.

 

[archie mac]

Well india didn't win a test for nearly 10 years and the only reason the lost column doesn't look bad is because there was far less test cricket played back then, the same goes for New Zealand.

It takes a while for a new country to get up to speed with other etablished test-playing nations, to suddenly decide to stop them playing test cricket because people don't think they are good enough would be very short-sighted and stupid.

And to be honest Bangladesh won't get better playing Franchise or grade cricket they need to play the best in order to mold themselves into a competitive unit.

They are not good enough where is the improvement? Some in ODI cricket, fine let them play that, but they are not ready for Test cricket, the ICC made a mistake and should admit it and move on.

 

[Autobahn]

They are not good enough where is the improvement? Some in ODI cricket, fine let them play that, but they are not ready for Test cricket, the ICC made a mistake and should admit it and move on.

By move on do you mean stop them playing test cricket or just leave them be and admit a "mistake"?

 

[Langeveldt]

Well they could play with me here in 5th grade in Canberra

they'd probably come last

 

[archie mac]

By move on do you mean stop them playing test cricket or just leave them be and admit a "mistake"?

are you being facetious? Dump them,

 

[Neil Pickup]

Bangladesh U19s are one of the strongest sides in the world. This is because of the increased exposure and coverage the game has there, now and over the last seven years.

The boys who were 9, 10 and 11 when Bangladesh became a Test nation are 16, 17 and 18 today. This is the generation who are going to count for Bangladesh cricket, and when they have grown up in ten years time, then the persistence will pay off.

Taking Test status away will undo all the progress. Giving them the status at the time was a mistake, everyone knows that. But you can't pretend it didn't happen.

 

[tassy]

The ICC also see's the potential to make a load of money from Bangladesh, they do have a population of well over 150 miliion

 

[Richard]

I don't see what everyone's problem with Bangladesh is. Look at how poor NZ was when we first started out. The best way for them to improve is for them to keep playing the best.

When people say 'they aren't ready yet' what do they mean? How can you tell when they are ready, and how is not letting them play test cricket going to help them become competitive (which they will do in time).

Because being thrashed all the time is not the way to learn.
It's not directly comparable to New Zealand's case, anyway, because New Zealand rarely played Tests in the 1930s, 40s, 50s and 60s, but still - I don't feel New Zealand merited Test status at those times, either.
Bangladesh would be better playing at their own level and improving gradually. I doubt they'll improve much playing the best and being thrashed. So far their improvement has been negligable. As soon as they've taken the smallest of steps forward they've immidiately gone back again.

 

[Richard]

If people have this sort of attitude in real life, only Einstiens are supposed to live, rest should be eliminated.

Except people don't have that attitude in real life.

 

[Richard]

Let them play ODI cricket but not Test cricket they are not good enough. NZ were not that bad they managed a lot of draws early on. What did Aust. do they sent their 2nd 11 to NZ not their best team.

Why let them play ODIs?
Even if you don't place much importance on them, some people do.
Fact is, sides like UAE, USA, Hong Kong, Scotland, Namibia, East Africa, Holland, Canada, Bangladesh, Kenya and the current Zimbabwe are not good enough to have games classed on the same level as the top 8.
And it damages the integrity of cricket for them to be so.

 

[Richard]

Ponting a great batsmen, but he should learn to shut his mouth sometimes, he continues to come out with crap. Bangladesh just beat Australia six months and nearly beat Pakistan in a Test a couple years ago, if it wasn't a for a good innings from Inzi. And will probably win a Test against the Sri Lanka (A) side going over soon.

You can't play a Test against an "A" side.

 

[Richard]

I don't reckon he should have said it. And I really don't agree with his view that minnows shouldn't play the World Cup. Test cricket I can see, and would like Zimbabwe to go, but minnows in the WC is a must.

Indeed, but the matches shouldn't be classed as ODIs, and the format should be like the next one will be, not the ludicrous formats used in 1996 and 2003.

 

[Richard]

They could play in the pura cup, but I think they would come last, so would be even worse for their confidence. Maybe county cricket?

no, they'd come last..

Franchise cricket? No, they'd come last...

They probably would to start with, but they'd sure as have a much better chance of improving than they have by playing Test-standard teams.

 

[Richard]

Well india didn't win a test for nearly 10 years and the only reason the lost column doesn't look bad is because there was far less test cricket played back then, the same goes for New Zealand.

It takes a while for a new country to get up to speed with other etablished test-playing nations, to suddenly decide to stop them playing test cricket because people don't think they are good enough would be very short-sighted and stupid.

And to be honest Bangladesh won't get better playing Franchise or grade cricket they need to play the best in order to mold themselves into a competitive unit.

No, they don't, playing the best can do you harm but little good.
It doesn't take a while if the team is introduced properly, as most teams were.
The only teams who were clearly not up to standard upon being introduced were South Africa and New Zealand, even if it took a while for them to win.
Hardly anyone has been constantly and non-stop outclassed and hammered the way Bangladesh have been.

 

[Richard]

True but a lot of the Tests NZ played in their early days were of 3 days duration and caused a lot of draws, some times they were even in a wining posi.

The Bangas have only won one Test, and that was the only one where they should have won.

Bangladesh have not won a game against a Test-class team.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

You can't play a Test against an "A" side.

....you can't be serious. He obviously meant that Sri Lanka will send a sub-standard team.