Future ****Stars**** of Australian Cricket

[Ming]

If Richard was the selector, he wouldn't have picked Shane Bond either. Because his domestic figures weren't that impressive, but of course, they didn't show his pace....but Richard doesn't need to watch cricketer's play does he. Same for Hamish Marshall.

 

[chooka_nick]

Back to topic.

I think that Cullen is a great find and has finished the season extremely well. He would be (on current form) the 3rd best spinner in the country behind Warne and MacGill. Hauritz needs to get his groove back, White doesn't bowl enough overs to be considered a top line spinner (an allrounder maybe), Doherty has had shocking figures and looks to be in the same league as Hauritz at the moment.

On the batting front Jaques has had a great season and could leapfrog Mike Hussey as the next opening option. I think that the selectors will stick with Hussey. David Hussey has disappointed this season after a hot one last season. Callum Ferguson and Craig Philipson have shown promise and you can't knock the class of Rogers and North from WA. Thornely may also be a contender next year.

The next fringe of fast bowlers includes Tait (obviously) but there are no real other youngsters in line other than maybe Griffith from Tasmania. Mitchell Johnson needs to get a full season under his belt.

Haddin will go to England as reserve keeper. Seccombe has disappointed with the bat and Hartley may be too good to ignore next season. No other gloveman has done enough. Ronchi can't get into the FC side for WA so who knows how good he is. Crosthwaite has at least played a couple of games at the end of the season.

My top XI of guys who have not played a test yet is.

Hussey, Jaques, Rogers, Hodge, North, Thornely, Haddin, Cullen, Tait, Griffith, Harwood (struggling for last bowler, could also pick Wright, Rofe, Dawes, S Clark)

Mate, I think you're overlooking Mick Lewis, who's a class bowler. He really found his game this year, I was really impressed.

 

[Swervy]

So let's take your example and put it to NZ domestic cricket.

Say there are 12-man squads in each domestic side (there are 6), so that equates to around 72 players. So Richard is saying there are only around 2-3 players in NZ, that were touted for big things, had success.

Out of Auckland: Vincent, Horne, Nicol were touted for big things recently, and you could say Vincent none of them of achieved their potential just yet. So that's 0/3.

Take Canterbury: Fleming, Cairns, Astle, McMillan were touted for huge things when they were young, and the first three have lived up to their billing definitely, and there could be a case for Maaca as well since his Test average is still around 40. So that's 3/4.

Richard, your evaluation of 1/30 is total rubbish.

Richards idea of what success and failure is, is different to most peoples. Watch the first chance average rear its head again!!!!!

Richard only considers a player to be a success if he deems it that they have made runs and havent been lucky. Being 'lucky' automatically rules you out...

 

[marc71178]

Say there are 12-man squads in each domestic side (there are 6), so that equates to around 72 players. So Richard is saying there are only around 2-3 players in NZ, that were touted for big things, had success.

That's assuming that every FC player was touted for success, which I don't think will have happened?

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Richards idea of what success and failure is, is different to most peoples. Watch the first chance average rear its head again!!!!!

Richard only considers a player to be a success if he deems it that they have made runs and havent been lucky. Being 'lucky' automatically rules you out...

The definition of "lucky" is a really bizarre one as well. If you induce a batsman into a bad shot by bowling accurately and keeping the scoring opportunites down, you're lucky. If you get dropped on 5 and go on to make a double century without giving another chance, you're lucky...

 

[chris.hinton]

Shane Watson is nothing special nor is Cameron White

 

[Retox]

Shane Watson is nothing special

I think I love you.

 

[chris.hinton]

Laugh out load.....

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Shane Watson is nothing special nor is Cameron White

You're dead wrong about Watson in my view, he's a top prospect.

 

[Richard]

If someone is selecting a current line up then yes

So The Argonaut was talking about people who are currently unlucky not to be playing?
No, he was talking about people who are unlucky never to have played.

 

[Richard]

So let's take your example and put it to NZ domestic cricket.

Say there are 12-man squads in each domestic side (there are 6), so that equates to around 72 players. So Richard is saying there are only around 2-3 players in NZ, that were touted for big things, had success.

Out of Auckland: Vincent, Horne, Nicol were touted for big things recently, and you could say Vincent none of them of achieved their potential just yet. So that's 0/3.

Take Canterbury: Fleming, Cairns, Astle, McMillan were touted for huge things when they were young, and the first three have lived up to their billing definitely, and there could be a case for Maaca as well since his Test average is still around 40. So that's 3/4.

Richard, your evaluation of 1/30 is total rubbish.

And your use of New Zealand is laughable, especially given the small amount of prominence of the county in cricketing circles and the general lack of stupid OTT talking-up compared to the subcontinent, England, West Indies and Australia.

 

[Richard]

If Richard was the selector, he wouldn't have picked Shane Bond either. Because his domestic figures weren't that impressive, but of course, they didn't show his pace....but Richard doesn't need to watch cricketer's play does he. Same for Hamish Marshall.

I've watched both Marshall and Bond play and I'd have picked them like anyone else sane.
And Bond hasn't been successful because of his pace. Nor has he been successful by any means other than getting good figures.

 

[Richard]

The definition of "lucky" is a really bizarre one as well. If you induce a batsman into a bad shot by bowling accurately and keeping the scoring opportunites down, you're lucky. If you get dropped on 5 and go on to make a double century without giving another chance, you're lucky...

You cannot "induce" a bad stroke, you can merely attempt to encourage it.
And that the batsman cannot realise that his slow scoring does not matter is not to your credit.
And tell me: would the batsman have scored a century had the chance on 5 been caught?

 

[Richard]

Richards idea of what success and failure is, is different to most peoples. Watch the first chance average rear its head again!!!!!

Richard only considers a player to be a success if he deems it that they have made runs and havent been lucky. Being 'lucky' automatically rules you out...

No, it's nothing to do with me deeming anything - who's been lucky and who hasn't is pretty darn obvious to anyone who's got the sense to look for it.

 

[social]

You're dead wrong about Watson in my view, he's a top prospect.

Should Watson stay healthy, I predict that he'll have a longer than average test career.

140 k plus bowler, regularly averages above 50 in fc, good fieldsman, aggressive attitude.

Aus has been looking for an all-rounder of his type for many years, principally as bowling back-up when one of the greats retires.

 

[howardj]

Should Watson stay healthy, I predict that he'll have a longer than average test career.

140 k plus bowler, regularly averages above 50 in fc, good fieldsman, aggressive attitude.

Aus has been looking for an all-rounder of his type for many years, principally as bowling back-up when one of the greats retires.

He's a better bat than he is bowler. No reason why he shouldnt be viewed as a reserve bat for the Ashes tour - he averages nigh on 50. I'd take him, instead of the 30-something Hodge. He's a much better prospect.

 

[aussie]

aussie

Shane Watson is nothing special nor is Cameron White

my goodness another crazy comment on two of the biggest young talents in australia. Maybe they both aren't anything superb at the moment but the have loads of potnential, Watson is australia next great all-rounder for sure, all he needs is more exposure to the international arena and his enourmous talent is bound to be fullfilled. Its just like when flintoff came on the international stage, he had the potential but in the early days showed it very few times e.g (His 86 of balls againts Pakistan in rawalpindi in 2000) and that was againts wasim, waqar, saqlain, and mushtaq ahmed, he smashed them everywhere. Now look and Freddie he is arguably the best all-rounder in the world at the moment.All aussie fans expect him to have a big career for australia, so i cant see how u can say he isn't anything special mate.

While white is one of the better young spinners in australia, maybe his bowling has fallen away sicne he has become victorian captain has been underbowling himself throughout
this season but before that in past seasons and at junior level he has shown great potential, He surely for me along will lead the next generation of aussie spinners along with Cullen, Casson and the others. Great things weren't even expected out of warne when he first came into the australian team but he had the potential to do well at this level so does Cameron White.

 

[C_C]

Watson is a great talent indeed...he reminds me of a young Abdul Razzaq- capable batting and good pace bowling prospect.....but i think for him to translate that into performance, he would have to remain injury-free....he has suffered two or three stress fractures of the back already and he isnt even in his mid 20s....it would be very tough for him unless he thoroughly reinvents his action.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

it would be very tough for him unless he thoroughly reinvents his action.

Watson has already done extensive corrective work on his action in the period leading up to the 2004/05 season, designed both to increase his accuracy and reduce the chance of injury.

Anyway, if he does remain injury free, I can see him having a career along the lines of Jaques Kallis - playing as a true all-rounder early in his career and developing into a specialist batsman as his bowling drops away over time.

 

[Corbin]

Anyway, if he does remain injury free, I can see him having a career along the lines of Jaques Kallis - playing as a true all-rounder early in his career and developing into a specialist batsman as his bowling drops away over time.

Yeh Agree with you on that