FICA Poll Results

[Sanz]

There was a player union made in India a while back but it didn't become a member of FICA as they did not agree with the view of FICA of the game and were not fully supported by the BCCI. Then as a result it lost momentum and is almost defunct at the moment.

That is because majority of Top Indian Players are very self centered and wouldn't want to risk anything that irks the BCCI and that includes doing something as reasonable as joining FICA.

 

[Cevno]

So you'd be fine if I was your employer and just paid you whenever I felt like it?

If my employer had to transfer a relatively large amount of money from a country in a different continent and it was caught up in forex clearances,then yes atleast for a week ffs.
Pretty sure players get paid in their currencies after taxation clearances,and not in Rupees.

Besides this incident alone would not have mattered ,but coupled with other incidents which i mentioned seemed a bit motivated.
And have FICA ever objected to players being paid late in any countries or demanded than Counties get clearances for overseas players and pay them in their currencies?

 

[Cevno]

That is because majority of Top Indian Players are very self centered and wouldn't want to risk anything that irks the BCCI and that includes doing something as reasonable as joining FICA.

Yeah!! That may be a reason.

And in anycase they are pretty well paid in any case and most domestic players are too these days plus obviously IPL money for the top cricket non india players too.
So may not want to irk the BCCI in any way.

I think retired and some first class cricketers formed the previous association but got not too much support from the BCCI or the top cricketers.

Don't care whether they join the FICA or not ,but India should certainly have a player association atleast.

 

[GIMH]

An international payment absolutely should not take a week though, Cevno. Bottom line is, if there's a payday, you honour it.

 

[Sanz]

An international payment absolutely should not take a week though, Cevno. Bottom line is, if there's a payday, you honour it.

100% agree. To me it doesn't matter if it is international payment or not.

It is FICA's job to raise this, This is the sort of matter they are supposed to be looking after.

 

[Cevno]

IIRC this happened in season 2 when the IPL was shifted to South Africa on short notice due to elections.

And there was a problem with double taxation in two countries as the event was played in SA and the payment was being made from the company in India.

And the payment for a couple of franchisees were stopped by the government to investigate further.

BCCI i think then either asked the other domestic boards to pay for the time being or the IPL paid for that by themselves.
There are some forex transactions still being investigated by the enforcement directorate as pertaining to that season.

Don't think there was a payday as such too ,but the problem was that players of a couple of franchisees were paid a week later than others.
These problems if any occured in the first two IPL's due to teething problems and then it being shifted and have not resulted in since.

Besides as i said this matter being raised alone was not a big issue,but combined with other incidents which i mentioned seemed motivated and the way they did it running to the media.
And pretty sure payments have been delayed in other domestic competitions as well for a week and have never seen FICA bringing that up in a publicised manner. Even the ICL.

 

[Sanz]

Yeah!! That may be a reason.

And in anycase they are pretty well paid in any case and most domestic players are too these days plus obviously IPL money for the top cricket non india players too.
So may not want to irk the BCCI in any way.

I think retired and some first class cricketers formed the previous association but got not too much support from the BCCI or the top cricketers.

Don't care whether they join the FICA or not ,but India should certainly have a player association atleast.

Money is not the only thing, what about player safety, what about having good grounds, good facilities, cricket schedule, injury etc.

 

[Sanz]

And pretty sure payments have been delayed in other domestic competitions as well for a week and have never seen FICA bringing that up in a publicised manner. Even the ICL.

I am not sure why you are criticizing the FICA for doing their job. and you are wrong on FICA not raising the Player salary issue with regard to ICL or other Boards.

http://www.mid-day.com/sports/2011/feb/010211-Tim-May-Champions-League-Chennai-Super-Kings.htm

ICL owe its contracted players millions, say FICA

ICL situation is a tricky one for FICA because that league was a rebel league, ICC can't do anything and FICA can't to much except to negotiate with the ICL organizers.

 

[Cevno]

I agree on that.
But the big players as it is have a big say in those matters so can't see them pushing for a association as it stands.

 

[Cevno]

I am not sure why you are criticizing the FICA for doing their job. and you are wrong on FICA not raising the Player salary issue with regard to ICL.

ICL owe its contracted players millions, say FICA

ICL situation is a tricky one for FICA because that league was a rebel league, ICC can't do anything and FICA can't to much except to negotiate with the ICL organizers.

That happened after the ICL was scrapped though.

At first just to irk BCCI they went all out and supported the ICL.
May or whoever was head at that time went to stadiums to watch ICL matches too and i remember him praising ICL sitting in their studios too.

And they ultimately ended up paying for that support going against the established board,though i reckon these payments were made later too as there have been no reports of court cases or a mention since.
Not sure about it though.

 

[Sanz]

That happened after the ICL was scrapped though.

Shifting the Goal Post now ?

At first just to irk BCCI they went all out and supported the ICL.
May or whoever was head at that time went to stadiums to watch ICL matches too and i remember him praising ICL sitting in their studios too.

And they ultimately ended up paying for that support going against the established board,though i reckon these payments were made later too as there have been no reports of court cases or a mention since.
Not sure about it though.

FICA is looking after its members' interest, which is its cricketers. If BCCI is irked by FICA participating in ICL then it is not FICA's problem. And your second statement just shows how BCCI operates.

 

[Cevno]

In any case as i said this incidents i mentioned alone may be justifiable,but combined with other incidents seemed motivated.
Like wanting IPL 3 shifted based on a independent report they did when all other boards were fine touring according to their experts and the ACA incident.
I mentioned some others in previous posts too.

 

[Cevno]

Shifting the Goal Post now ?



FICA is looking after its members' interest, which is its cricketers. If BCCI is irked by FICA participating in ICL then it is not FICA's problem. And your second statement just shows how BCCI operates.

Eh?

Obviously they will raise the issue when ICL gets scrapped and the payments were not paid for about a year and may be a case that never be paid.
But they did not raise it for a week delay anywhere.
There is a massive difference between the two.

Since FICA participated in the ICL and supported and praised it ,should then be held accountable for the payments that were not made too as it encouraged players to participate?

In any case this was not the sole issue i mentioned in any case as i have explained time and again ,but seems to be ignored.
It is the general attitude i am talking about not one incident.

 

[superkingdave]

Don't remember them praising the ICL just fighting for their members rights to compete in it without it restricting their careers

 

[superkingdave]

Eh?

Obviously they will raise the issue when ICL gets scrapped and the payments were not paid for about a year and may be a case that never be paid.
But they did not raise it for a week delay anywhere.
There is a massive difference between the two.

Since FICA participated in the ICL and supported and praised it ,should then be held accountable for the payments that were not made too as it encouraged players to participate?

In any case this was not the sole issue i mentioned in any case as i have explained time and again ,but seems to be ignored.
It is the general attitude i am talking about not one incident.

The issues you have mentioned

FICA wanted IPL 3 to be shifted out of India again due to security issues they found in a report they independently commisioned

Players union commisions independent report on player safety,makes recommendation based on the results of said independent report. No ****

Also FICA find no oppurtunity to come out and bash the BCCI and particularly the IPL on pedantic issues such as player payments being delayed by a week and food items etc..

Already discussed. Exactly the issues a union exists for.

But at the same time they found no such problems or security problems with the ICL until it was in existence

Security problems with IPL 3 were in what 2010? ICL was already defunct by then, why would they find problems with something that doesn't exist?

In fact the FICA head even came out and supported it openly

Can we have some evidence on this?

FICA slams 'anti-competitive behaviour' over ICL | Cricket News | Global | ESPN Cricinfo

Making clear that FICA "neither supports nor rejects the ICL", May said that his organisation's primary aim "is to ensure that players rights are upheld and that governing bodies do not unreasonably restrain players from plying their trade".

even attending matches and studios of ICL

Attending matches that the people he represents are competing in? Burn him now.

 

[four_or_six]

In any case as i said this incidents i mentioned alone may be justifiable,but combined with other incidents seemed motivated.
Like wanting IPL 3 shifted based on a independent report they did when all other boards were fine touring according to their experts and the ACA incident.
I mentioned some others in previous posts too.

Independent safety checks are very important. Where I work (and I'm sure most workplaces where safety is critical) we have safety inspections by the company, and safety inspections by the union. The union then works closely with the company to review and respond to any of their concerns. This is extremely important as the union has no financial concerns, and I can therefore be assured that safety is the sole priority. (Not saying my company doesn't give priority to safety, we are lucky enough that they do).

In the cricketers case, it is quite right that the players representatives commission an independent safety review. However, in this case, the employers (ie the IPL) just told them to piss off and that they won't even speak to FICA, let alone take any findings into account.

I'm not sure how this is in any way a sensible or right way to do business.

 

[Cevno]

Independent safety checks are very important. Where I work (and I'm sure most workplaces where safety is critical) we have safety inspections by the company, and safety inspections by the union. The union then works closely with the company to review and respond to any of their concerns. This is extremely important as the union has no financial concerns, and I can therefore be assured that safety is the sole priority. (Not saying my company doesn't give priority to safety, we are lucky enough that they do).

In the cricketers case, it is quite right that the players representatives commission an independent safety review. However, in this case, the employers (ie the IPL) just told them to piss off and that they won't even speak to FICA, let alone take any findings into account.

I'm not sure how this is in any way a sensible or right way to do business.

All the relevant boards were satisfied already and they produced some sort of survey saying 83 % players were concerned about safety.
But then all the players participated and the IPL was held successfully despite their doubts and them being given short shrift.

They raise similar concerns nigh on specially about every tour to India for some reason when the boards are satisfied and so are their safety checks.
Seems odd they have never found the security issues satisfied ,even when the ICC did so for the World Cup -

ICC news: FICA boss Tim May reiterates security concerns | Cricket News | Cricinfo ICC Site | ESPN Cricinfo

Lorgat also followed a similar line that the BCCI followed saying it was a non issue.

It seems they keep raising these to mantain their relevance of sorts and specially against the BCCI based on survery's as the Indian players are not members in any case.

 

[Cevno]

Already discussed. Exactly the issues a union exists for.

Was not such a big issue ,and they have not done the same anywhere else.

Security problems with IPL 3 were in what 2010? ICL was already defunct by then, why would they find problems with something that doesn't exist?

There were no specific safety concerns in 2010.
And they raised the same in 2009 also ,but never before for the ICL.

They infact raised similar concerns about the World cup too and were given short shift.

It is odd that they do not do these checks for every tour then ?

Can we have some evidence on this?

FICA slams 'anti-competitive behaviour' over ICL | Cricket News | Global | ESPN Cricinfo

Attending matches that the people he represents are competing in? Burn him now.

He was supporting it in the Studio live sitting with Tony Greig.

Also -

Plus they keep criticising the BCCI at every oppurtunity openly and not any other board that supports them, when in fact they do not represent India players either.

Also these survey's they produce from time to time based on random samples.

Also i mentioned an ACA issue earlier which later proved to be a incorrect charge plus raising pedantic issues about food and many more ...

They clearly have an agenda being at loggerheads to the BCCI who reciprocate in kind.
Neither are saints and if we come to it you can start justifying any decision.

 

[Furball]

All the relevant boards were satisfied already and they produced some sort of survey saying 83 % players were concerned about safety.
But then all the players participated and the IPL was held successfully despite their doubts and them being given short shrift.

They raise similar concerns nigh on specially about every tour to India for some reason when the boards are satisfied and so are their safety checks.
Seems odd they have never found the security issues satisfied ,even when the ICC did so for the World Cup -

ICC news: FICA boss Tim May reiterates security concerns | Cricket News | Cricinfo ICC Site | ESPN Cricinfo

Lorgat also followed a similar line that the BCCI followed saying it was a non issue.

It seems they keep raising these to mantain their relevance of sorts and specially against the BCCI based on survery's as the Indian players are not members in any case.

Are you really going to be that flippant about security concerns after Lahore?

 

[Cevno]

Are you really going to be that flippant about security concerns after Lahore?

Security concerns that ICC and all the boards were fine with enough to call it a no issue but FICA keeps raising specifically in India time and again for some reason. Hmmm.....
Plus players came to those events and were not bothered too much and those events were conducted safely.
If indeed 83% of the cricketers were so concerned surely some would have pulled out or raised an objection .Pretty high number that.

Besides yes it is very important to keep safety concerns in mind and make them top priority,even though India and Pakistan are completely different situations.
But there is a reason why no organisation(ICC,BCCI or other boards) seems to give too much importance to FICA reports on such matters. Maybe they are overly paranoid in which case they can raise concern with everything or maybe they have some other motive which combines with other things such as these polls.