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England's openers at Headingley.
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Sudeep
International Captain
Strauss and Trescothick.
There's no way Strauss can be left out now. Nor Hussain. So Giles has to go out, despite a decent bowling performance at Lord's.
Vaughan hasn't been in the best of forms lately, and hasn't been himself while batting since taking over the captainship. He has made a couple of centuries, but he needs to settle down in the middle order. He isn't a specialist opener, right? He used to bat No. 3 or 4 for Yorkshire a few years back, if my memory serves correct. Yes, he has proved that he can open. His record speaks for him. But maybe it's time to sit back, and let the younger guy take the charge.
Trescothick needs to open. He has shown shades of return to form, wouldn't be just to push him down while he's trying to regain his form.
So Strauss and Trescothick is a personal choice.
However, that does bring up a question. Where does Vaughan bat then?
Butcher at 3, Hussain 4 and Thorpe 5. Vaughan 6? Confusing.
There's no way Strauss can be left out now. Nor Hussain. So Giles has to go out, despite a decent bowling performance at Lord's.
Vaughan hasn't been in the best of forms lately, and hasn't been himself while batting since taking over the captainship. He has made a couple of centuries, but he needs to settle down in the middle order. He isn't a specialist opener, right? He used to bat No. 3 or 4 for Yorkshire a few years back, if my memory serves correct. Yes, he has proved that he can open. His record speaks for him. But maybe it's time to sit back, and let the younger guy take the charge.
Trescothick needs to open. He has shown shades of return to form, wouldn't be just to push him down while he's trying to regain his form.
So Strauss and Trescothick is a personal choice.
However, that does bring up a question. Where does Vaughan bat then?
Butcher at 3, Hussain 4 and Thorpe 5. Vaughan 6? Confusing.
badgerhair
U19 Vice-Captain
I'd bat Trescothick at four, replacing Hussain following the announcement of his retirement tomorrow.marc71178 said:
Having listened to that interview, I can confirm that Hussain's face as he walked through a crowded Long Room was a picture of bliss. Thorpe just looked tired, but Hussain was obviously floating on air, and not minding the claps on his back as he made his way through.
I can easily see why he'd want to have the last bunch of articles written about him in the press to talk about how the hero retired on the highest of highs rather than have to wade through acres of newsprint detailing his selfishness in hanging on for a personal milestone of caps when it was obvious his powers were failing despite what happened at Lord's in May, which is the most likely result of him trying to hang on.
Cheers,
Mike
(I met Neil at lunch. He was wearing a red shirt, in case you want to look back through your videos of the day.)
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Much of it is going to be down to whether Hussain knocks it on the head or not. If so, then I'd love to see Trescothick go in down the order where he would (perhaps) be free to play the uninhibited role, as opposed to opening and playing the uninhibited role like he normally does.
If Hussain is going to carry on, then I haven't got a clue. Can we play 12?
If Hussain is going to carry on, then I haven't got a clue. Can we play 12?
Sudeep
International Captain
I didn't listen to the interview.badgerhair said:
But read about it now - http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040524/3/40h9.html
Mr Mxyzptlk
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Is it just me, or has Vaughan actually been in better form that people give him credit for? IMO he looked in good touch in the ODI series against WI and just didn't have much luck. Also, he played a fine hundred in his last Test innings to go a long way to saving the game for his team.Sudeep Popat said:
badgerhair
U19 Vice-Captain
It's not just you. Vaughan certainly agrees with you, and I think I do too. His dismissal has just about always come as a complete surprise, whereas when Tresco, Butcher or Hussain fail, it's usual that their dismissal puts an end to their evident misery.Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Cheers,
Mike
Sussexshark
Cricket Spectator
Mmm I would not bat Andrew Strauss at 6. They played that trick on Ian Ward (although I'd grant that Strauss is the better bat) and naturally Ian failed - he was not the first. I've voted for Tres and Strauss, since like others I feel a drop to 4 would suit Vaughan. He tends to play at the ball a little too much at times, hence the somewhat irregular scores, and may be better against the softer ball. Also it'd give him time to get his head back together after having skippered the side out on the field.
I can't see Nass being shown the door, not after that performance, so it has to be Giles. To my way of thinking he is far too negative a bowler, spearing it in on leg stump or outside, boring the pants off everyone. When are we going to uncover a really good spinner who will be properly looked after and not taken off at the first excuse?
Peter
I can't see Nass being shown the door, not after that performance, so it has to be Giles. To my way of thinking he is far too negative a bowler, spearing it in on leg stump or outside, boring the pants off everyone. When are we going to uncover a really good spinner who will be properly looked after and not taken off at the first excuse?
Peter
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
That is a quite staggering improvement in less than a year (well, the second innings of the last test against South Africa, I suppose).marc71178 said:
There's a few things I'd like to say about that...
1. It's silly, and circumstantial to the point of being embarrassing.
2. We may never see Rik again
3. The duck's clamouring to get out of the cupboard
4. Shows you what matters - taking wickets, not looking pretty.
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Welcome to CW.Sussexshark said:
Don't get me wrong, I am not a Giles fan. However, I know a bit about cricket, having watched and studied the game for nearly 40 years.
I don't think that foot outside leg line would have been a decision Giles took on his own (certainly not on this occasion) - furthermore, under the circumstances which prevailed at the time it was absolutely perfect tactics. The one thing you never ever do with Nathan Astle or Chris Cairns is give them room to free their arms unless you have fielders 20 rows back.
A few months ago, I would have snatched anyone's hand off if they were going to give me Daniel Vettori as England's spin option - until recent times, a real class act as far as finger spinners go. In this game, Giles bowled him off the park, no contest.
Move along, this is not the 'droid you are looking for.
Langeveldt
Soutie
Still speaking to his lordship... Apparantly he has had problems logging into the new look forums, and isnt very motivated to do so anyway....luckyeddie said: