England vs India

[full_length]

alright. so we didnt disagree after all

Yup 7-3 is more representative IMO. I'm just intrigued as to whether we all misunderstood your posts all this time!

 

[marc71178]

I have had great problems conveying my feelings in the posts - when I've said I didn't think the stats showed a lot, I meant that India had been harshly done by! (Although I still don't think England are as bad as some people like to think!)

 

[full_length]

Not at all. However, when Tres is not playing they are not the same side in ODIs. Secondly , IMO, they aren't tuned in well enough to the shorter form of the game. They need some more attacking players. Against India they looked like they were in awe of some opposition players and proclaimed a typical Sachin innings as a lesson in ODI innings building. I think that they do have some way to go in ODIs. Third, I'm not a fan of the way they look at the role of a spinner in ODIs. Long back all teams in the world had a view that spinners are a liability in ODIs, but that changed in time. England's view is currently like Azhar's when he was captain- spinners can only bowl flat, and on the legs.
But looking at their ability to fight, their test team, and the sudden surge in the size of their player pool, things do look good for the long run. Also the deficiency, and gap between them and some other ODI outfits, doesnt seem to be in ability any more (as it was not long back), but more in mindset and strategy.

In tests they can give any team a tough time and have plenty of fight in them.

 

[marc71178]

Third, I'm not a fan of the way they look at the role of a spinner in ODIs. Long back all teams in the world had a view that spinners are a liability in ODIs, but that changed in time. England's view is currently like Azhar's when he was captain- spinners can only bowl flat, and on the legs.

No, that is just the way Giles always bowls!

 

[ramu]

East Or West India Is The Best
Indiaz Goin Beat The Hell Out Of Pakistan In One Dayers And England Watch Out
Dhoni And Pathan Gona Rock *****

 

[ramu]

Who Do U Think Gona Be The Man Of The Series
Indian Vs Pakistan
I Think Dhoni

 

[adharcric]

I think ... http://forum.cricketweb.net/showthread.php?t=16210

 

[timipipe]

hi

i wanna watch too ,please

 

[Barney Rubble]

i wanna watch too ,please

Random as, that one.

 

[SJS]

Okay guys,
Here is my take on the state of team India in the context of the Champions Trophy opener at Jaipur. Glad to get feedback and answer anything as long as it doesnt get personal

 

[Burgey]

Forgive my ignorance, but where is V V S? Man, that guy can play. I can think of no other player who's batted better against Australia over the past few years so I should be glad he isn't htere I guess. Is he injured, out of form, been shafted or retired?

 

[R_D]

Forgive my ignorance, but where is V V S? Man, that guy can play. I can think of no other player who's batted better against Australia over the past few years so I should be glad he isn't htere I guess. Is he injured, out of form, been shafted or retired?

He's not in ODI for some reason.
The reasons are given his fielding is crap, he's a crap runner between the wickets and his strike rate isn't that great either and he doesn't hit the ball in the air

I don't know but he always seems to get shafted.. soon as he has little blip in the form, he's out of the team. Kind of feel sorry for the guy. Chappell wanted a young team with good work ethics and i think VVS might be conisdered bit lazy regarding his fielding and running between the wickets.

 

[SJS]

Forgive my ignorance, but where is V V S?

I was today asked the same question in the Champions Trophy Page and I can only repeat my reply there.

When a player is considered "dispensable" (read is-without-Godfather) any excuse will be used to keep him out. In the case of Laxman the excuse used today is his fielding. Yes he is no Yuvi, Kaif or Raina in the field but nor is Sachin and with his injuries he is clearly not the "thrower" that he was once. I am not suggesting for a minute that Laxman takes priority over Sachin but just to show how goal posts are placed depending upon what results one is looking for.

If India can have a keeper of the caliber of Dhoni because he is such a "great" (not my description of him) batsman then surely Laxman would be manning less critical areas on the field and his sleep fielding is impeccable (where Sachin is going to be increasingly seen) and in the outfield he is safe and secure (far better than the former skipper ever was) without ever being spectacular.

We have to measureall aspects of the teams needs and surely batting (and bowling) do not take a lesser importance in a world where fielding is not the negelcted skill it used to be.

As for the order with Laxman. I would even consider Laxman at three with Yuvraj at four and Dravid at five. The four and five can be interchanged depending upon number of by which the sec ond wicket falls and whether wqe are chasing (and the size of the target) or setting a target.

I am not convinced that we should experiment with the first three positions (except the rare case for very specific reasons) and the 4th to 6th should br flexibe.

I would feel so much more confident of Indias chances if the eleven read

Tendulkar
Sehwag
Laxman
Yuvraj
Dravid
Dhoni
Irfan
Powar/Kumble (WHY NOT??)
Harbhajan
Munaf
THIRD medium pacer.​

 

[silentstriker]

Laxman, ehh..no. Just because Sachin is not what he used to be, doesn't mean we should add another liability.

Sehwag should be dropped from ODI.

The man has played 159 ODI's. Its time to stop thinking he will 'come around'. If it hasn't happened in 159 ODI's (career average 31), it won't ever happen.

 

[R_D]

Laxman, ehh..no. Just because Sachin is not what he used to be, doesn't mean we should add another liability.

Sehwag should be dropped from ODI.

The man has played 159 ODI's. Its time to stop thinking he will 'come around'. If it hasn't happened in 159 ODI's (career average 31), it won't ever happen.

Thing with Sehwag is though.. we need him to give us quick start that way Tendulkar isn't the one forcing the pace and he can settle down and get big innings.
But yeah if Sehwag doesn't start using his brain soon might be time to say good-bye from ODI's.

 

[silentstriker]

Thing with Sehwag is though.. we need him to give us quick start that way Tendulkar isn't the one forcing the pace and he can settle down and get big innings.
But yeah if Sehwag doesn't start using his brain soon might be time to say good-bye from ODI's.

What do you mean soon, he has had like six years.

 

[SJS]

SS.

I am not asking for Laxman because of anything except that we are in a bit of trouble. With Ganguly and Laxman out of the side and Dravid and Sehwag not anongst the runs there is a sudden fragility about the Indian side.

Its ironic that the young guns (Kaif Yuvi etc) were shining when they were fighting to displace the seniors but having got into the side they seem to have suddenly gone down a few notches. We have too many youngsters who look so good and promising but they need to deliver. Had the World Cup not become so close we could have been in less of a panic.

Raina looks so promising but we need to see some big things.

Sometimes I feel the team management may have erred griveously in not pushing him to number three instead of Pathan at the beginning of this year. That was a better 'experiment' (if that) and one which, if it came off could have been a permanent thing. It would have tested Raina's talent, technique, attitude and mental strength like nothing else can and if he was given the long run that a much less gifted Pathan has been given we stood a fair chance of making it work.

Now we have one year less to start another experiment !!

 

[Burgey]

Well, I obviously don't see as much of India as you guys do, but I just can't fathom that Kaif, Dhoni et al are better batsmen (ignoring Dhoni's keeping for the moment) than Laxman.
Man, I could watch that guy bat all day every day and twice as long on Sunday. I guess one's opinion is always skewed in favour of players who peform well against your own country (eg: Vaughan out here in 2003 compared with his overall test record - I still think he'd the best Pommie batsman since Gower and arguably since Boycott), but Laxman's innings at Sydney in 1999 and then what he (and of course Dravid) did in '01 and again in Adelaide out here was nothing short of phenomenal.

 

[Arjun]

Pardon me, but why is this old relic brought back to discuss a current situation?

 

[Anil]

Well, I obviously don't see as much of India as you guys do, but I just can't fathom that Kaif, Dhoni et al are better batsmen (ignoring Dhoni's keeping for the moment) than Laxman.
Man, I could watch that guy bat all day every day and twice as long on Sunday. I guess one's opinion is always skewed in favour of players who peform well against your own country (eg: Vaughan out here in 2003 compared with his overall test record - I still think he'd the best Pommie batsman since Gower and arguably since Boycott), but Laxman's innings at Sydney in 1999 and then what he (and of course Dravid) did in '01 and again in Adelaide out here was nothing short of phenomenal.

he was not all that consistent when he was in the one day side tbh especially the last few times he was given a chance, and he isn't that explosive a batsman either...i don't think we really need laxman in the one day side....