Starfighter
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Only after the ends of matches, or at least controversial ones.
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England test tour of Pakistan December 2022
- Thread starter theegyptian
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GIMH
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A year ago if you'd told me we were going to have a series without Root scoring runs I'd be looking up the list of lowest ever Test scores and wondering how many of them were about to be displaced
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Xuhaib
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Bowling issue is very much Babar and Saqlain.
Even with Shaheen and Naseem injured we could still have fielded Abbas and Hassan not saying they would have won us a game but atleast they have succes in the past on their resume. Handling of Abbas is crimnal he is still tearing up county and local first class yet not good enough for this side.
Fuller Pilch
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So only 2 test wins ever for England in Pakistan prior to this and zero in the UAE, then this happens. Extraordinary.
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While blaming the BCCI.
wpdavid
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Yeah, the way Robinson has come back shows he has rather more ticker than we thought. Day in, day out, he's arguably been our best bowler since coming into the side.
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Was going to ask why Abbas had been discarded. Seems very strange.
MW1304
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What exactly happened with Abbas? I get his wild start was unsustainable and he really can look unpenetrative tstl in the wrong conditions, but he's clearly better than these blokes.
Edit: Somehow missed Pothas asking above...
They locked the site when India beat Afghanistan comfortably in 2021 T20 Word Cup, refused to believe that Afghanistan who fought hard against Pakistan got easily rolled over in the India game and came up with conspiracy theories where this was all done to get India in semis/finals.
Yes, I lurk Pakpassion for entertaining posts, my guilty pleasure.
Xuhaib
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Well apparently if he not averaging below 20 as he did at start of his career he is not good enough to play for this side.
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Agree with the consensus that captaincy matters a lot. England deserved to win the series because they played to their strengths and backed themselves. They have a fantastically well rounded pace attack and one competent spinner so they went with that knowing that Pakistan isn't like SL where pace bowlers are a non factor. They got it to reverse beautifully and pace bowling was the biggest difference between the sides. People would've blamed the aggressive batting in the second dig if they had lost but imo riding his luck is definitely the way to go for a guy like Pope. And #intent won them the first match.
Xuhaib
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Well tbf India cricket Forum is equally poor you get a nice idea of an average sub cont fan on these pages.
Nintendo
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Is there something in the water in Pakistan that makes the most ridiculous selection calls the popular consensus? I thought it was just the selectors being dumb, but the smart people at Reddit seem to think that sarfaraz for Rizwan will somehow make this side better.
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Looks like leaded petroleum was only banned in 1999. Would explain a lot.
Starfighter
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The entire pace bowling strategy is a muddled mess. Yes Shaheen being out injured is a big loss. but it's not surprising considering he's played every match recently. I'm amazed it didn't happen sooner.
Naseem is not experienced enough to lead the attack, especially with his own rhythm troubles. Then there's the selection of the white ball bowlers - Rauf, and Md. Wasim in the squad. Neither have remotely the FC experience, though none was as crazy as the selection of Musa in Australia, that was beyond lunacy. Fast bowlers don't need years of experience, but they need to prove themselves. J. Richardson had only a season and a half when he debuted, but he averaged 21 and had a best of 8/47.
The 'experience' picks are also a puzzle. Ali did have a good season but has little pedigree. So what was wrong with Abbas, who also did well? Same with, as @trundler said, Hamza. Sure he's not quick but neither are Anderson and Robinson. Ali won't amount to more than a journeyman.
The tendency of the domestic pitches to be either very green or flat doesn't help, nor does the looseness of player ages, but still, they should be doing better than plucking a handful of white ball bowlers.
Xuhaib
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Current Sarfraz no but Rizwan in tests is not a patch on Sarfraz 2013-2016 he turned a decent Pak side to great during that period
Xuhaib
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Its stupid that Hasnain, Harris and Waseem are not getting any red ball cricket at FC level.Hasnain has played 7 fc games in his 5 years on the circuit. The pace attack has potential to be very good but no one is bothered to make them test cricket sustainable as the fans, PCB not least the players search T 20 glory.
Starfighter
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It's the same old story. You've had genuinely quick bowlers just drop out of the trees recently yet none have kicked on. The sheer incompetence when it comes to handling talent is mind-blowing, but sadly nothing new under the sun.