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Cricket What-Ifs

nick-o

U19 Vice-Captain
What if Marcus Trescothick hadn't suffered from depression? Would he have taken over after Strauss retired and still be captain today, easily ensconced as England's top run-scorer ever; would Captain Tresco have been able to deal with KP and keep him in the team; would Cook, free from the burden of captaincy, have remained in beast mode for a few more years...?
 

OverratedSanity

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What happens to England if Shane Warne catches Pietersen in 2005?
You know, this is actually really interesting, not just from an England team perspective but for KP's career. The series definitely gets drawn 2-2 imo, and still goes down as the best Ashes ever.

But, if KP is caught, his series scores read: 57, 64*,71,20,21,0,45,23,14,15 (the score he was dropped on). 330 @36.6 (instead of 468@52) doesn't look very impressive for a member of the losing team. Reckon Thorpe might've been called back for a bit?
 
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morgieb

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You know, this is actually really interesting, not just from an England team perspective for that perspective but for KP's career. The series definitely gets drawn 2-2 imo, and still goes down as the best Ashes ever.

But, if KP is caught, his series scores read: 57, 64*,71,20,21,0,45,23,14,15 (the score he was dropped on). 330 @36.6 (instead of 468@52) doesn't look very impressive for a member of the losing team. Reckon Thorpe might've been called back for a bit?
Fairly certain Thorpe had already retired. Bell's career may have been interesting though.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
You know, this is actually really interesting, not just from an England team perspective but for KP's career. The series definitely gets drawn 2-2 imo, and still goes down as the best Ashes ever.

But, if KP is caught, his series scores read: 57, 64*,71,20,21,0,45,23,14,15 (the score he was dropped on). 330 @36.6 (instead of 468@52) doesn't look very impressive for a member of the losing team. Reckon Thorpe might've been called back for a bit?
KP was already annointed at Lord's. And Thorpe was retired.
 

OverratedSanity

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Whoops didn't realise Thorpe was gone. I reckon KP would've had to prove his worth all over again, and he probably would've done it soon enough, but it could've been a big stumbling block imo. Getting those runs in his debut series against probably the best team ever completely sealed everyone's opinion that he was quality.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
To assume that drop = Australia win is a little off I think. They'd have been favourites at that point, but we could easily still have scraped a target together. Given there wouldn't have been a whole heap of time, and the quality of our bowling all series, would have made for a nice tasty chase.

Though I accept this is very much a minority view
 

Lillian Thomson

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There's not a turban in beeswax chance that KP would have been dropped if Warne had held that catch. Even though he only managed a handful of moderately decent scores, he was already obviously a very high class batsman and even the England selectors aren't that stupid (at least not since Ted Dexter gave up).
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
There's not a turban in beeswax chance that KP would have been dropped if Warne had held that catch. Even though he only managed a handful of moderately decent scores, he was already obviously a very high class batsman and even the England selectors aren't that stupid (at least not since Ted Dexter gave up).
Interesting parallels between Gower and KP's career, yeah.

Pietersen did offer a few chances during that innings. Some top edges which landed safe. Was a very attacking innings, and a very luck one too.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
What if Marcus Trescothick hadn't suffered from depression? Would he have taken over after Strauss retired and still be captain today, easily ensconced as England's top run-scorer ever; would Captain Tresco have been able to deal with KP and keep him in the team; would Cook, free from the burden of captaincy, have remained in beast mode for a few more years...?
He'd have replaced Vaughan as captain wouldn't he? IIRC he captained the first test in Pakistan in 2005 in Vaughan's absence, and the depression hit home soon afterwards.

The immediate consequence is that Cook wouldn't have debuted for years, unless he came in at number 3.

Beyond that, would Tresco's captaincy been as successful as Strauss' tenure from 2009 to 2011?
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Doesn't automatically mean he'd have got the long term gig mind you.

Think Cook would have played sooner rather than later anyway. We used him at 3 in the summer of 06.
 

Gob

Cricketer Of The Year
What if Shane Watson and Usman Khawaja did their home work before Mohali?
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
What if - the 3rd umpire had reviewed the footage longer and given Ross taylor not out in the final.

With one frame the catch looked questionable.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
What if the England vs Pakistan group game in the 1992 hadn't been rained off after Pak were dismissed for 70?

Apart from England or NZ winning the WC, which would have been nice ....

Any political implications for Imran Khan not being able to use the WC win to further his personal ambitions?
 

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