Ikki
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Do subcontinent pitches get as many results as other places or not? That is all that is relevant. Not who claims it. Never really checked to be sure, I wonder if anyone has?Maybe when Graeme Smith makes his comments.
Do subcontinent pitches get as many results as other places or not? That is all that is relevant. Not who claims it. Never really checked to be sure, I wonder if anyone has?Maybe when Graeme Smith makes his comments.
Well yeah, that was kinda my point, because it was the batting averages that SJS highlighted.Well surely it's the most relevant point to address.
I don't see what South Africa have to do with my point.Ponting averages 50+ away from home, you're not counting his neutral games - even discounting them he is 49.77. Anyway, it's clear that Australian batsmen haven't done as well as Indians in India; many of them are renown for their success against us.
But your argument is flawed. The toughest, most liveliest, pitches have usually been in S.Africa. Want to look at the averages there between the two teams?
Exactly.
That's not the thrust of the argument here. It's that the Australian captain is criticising the subcontinent for lack of results, when his own country appears to be, at the very least, as inconducive. That alone disproves his argument. South Africa doesn't come into.Do subcontinent pitches get as many results as other places or not? That is all that is relevant. Not who claims it. Never really checked to be sure, I wonder if anyone has?
Fair.Well yeah, that was kinda my point, because it was the batting averages that SJS highlighted.
But you based this on only 2 teams. Which makes it look like you're pitting two teams together knowing one hasn't done well in one country whereas the other has risen to the occasion even though doing poorly in other countries.I don't see what South Africa have to do with my point.
Ponting has criticised subcontinental pitches. My argument is that Australia is just as, if not more, batting friendly than India.
They do. It's only partially relevant how Australia has done in the subcontinent. It's just as relevant how Pakistan or New Zealand have done as well. And of course, the other teams.That's not the thrust of the argument here. It's that the Australian captain is criticising the subcontinent for lack of results, when his own country appears to be, at the very least, as inconducive. That alone disproves his argument. South Africa doesn't come into.
He based it on two of the teams involved! Ponting isn't advocating that South Africa has the best cricket pitches in the world. He's saying that the subcontinent doesn't, implying that other teams do, including his.But you based this on only 2 teams. Which makes it look like you're pitting two teams together knowing one hasn't done well in one country whereas the other has risen to the occasion even though doing poorly in other countries.
No he didn't. He made a statement on 'cricket' in general. Whether subcontinent does or doesn't is only relative to every other place in the world. And it does not only entail two teams and their matches in each other's country. If it only occurred for two teams it would not really be the 'death' of anything.He based it on two of the teams involved! Ponting isn't advocating that South Africa has the best cricket pitches in the world. He's saying that the subcontinent doesn't, implying that other teams do, including his.
He singled out the subcontinent. Fact.No he didn't. He made a statement on 'cricket' in general. Whether subcontinent does or doesn't is only relative to every other place in the world.
They key difference between the flat decks in Australia & Indian this decade is basically the bounce present in Australian pitches.I don't see what South Africa have to do with my point.
Ponting has criticised subcontinental pitches. My argument is that Australia is just as, if not more, batting friendly than India.
They have everything to do with the point. The reason the averages are so high in Australia are mainly because of Australia herself. And yet, IIRC, still the averages are higher in India, although not by much. Considering Australia has such a low percentage of draws comparatively, it's been through superiority, rather than flat pitches, that they've made those runs/won games.I don't see what South Africa have to do with my point.
Ponting has criticised subcontinental pitches. My argument is that Australia is just as, if not more, batting friendly than India.
But by singling out the subcontinent and the phrasing of his comments, he is strongly implying Australia is less problematic in the matter. The fact is that its not. Australia is as result-oriented, or not result-oriented as the subcontinent.He singled out subcontinent...yes. But there is little inference he is merely talking about his own country. In fact, the context suggests the wider 'cricket' involving everybody. That really is kinda obvious.
Would be interested to see a more recent timeframe.From 2000 to 2010 - not including minnows:
No it hasn't- only in matches involving Australia and a subcontinental team is that the case. Unless there's a part of the interview SJS has not mentioned, there's no reason to assume that Ponting was only talking about these games rather than all test matches taking place.He says the subcontinent doesn't produce enough results. It's been proven that it matches up with Australia in that regard.
Australia clearly are less problematic in that area. Where that should entail only the comparison of two countries in this claim is one of your own fiction.But by singling out the subcontinent and the phrasing of his comments, he is strongly implying Australia is less problematic in the matter. The fact is that its not. Australia is as result-oriented, or not result-oriented as the subcontinent.
Otherwise he wouldn't have singled out anyone, and would perhaps have even started his point on home soil, with criticisms of Australian pitches.
Last five years:Would be interested to see a more recent timeframe.
But I'm factoring other points that have been brought into discussion:No it hasn't- only in matches involving Australia and a subcontinental team is that the case. Unless there's a part of the interview SJS has not mentioned, there's no reason to assume that Ponting was only talking about these games rather than all test matches taking place.