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Best Fast bowler in sub-continent conditions
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Precambrian
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In what way Kapil's close to Imran????
NZ and WI were not "weak" during the 90s as they are now. And Zimbabwe of 90s were much better than WI of today.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Think much of that was due to that rank greentop at Mohali in 1999/2000 wasn't it?
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Imran Khan, so underrated as a pure bowler.
kingkallis
International Coach
Pakistan had better wickets than India when it comes to assisting the pacers!
Kapil Dev for me cause he bowled on almost flat roads!
Kapil Dev for me cause he bowled on almost flat roads!
tooextracool
International Coach
Yeah Walsh really deserves credit for his performances in the subcontinent. IIRC came to India in 1994/95 and did exactly what he said he was going to do: bounce India out. With Kenneth Benjamin really tested the batsmen's ability against the short ball and that really was the series that led to the eventual casting aside of Kambli. The pair of Jimmy Adams and Walsh really fought lone battles to keep them even during the series.Courtney.
It just shows the benefit of having a senior bowler, the Indian tour in 2004 for the Aussie bowlers, all the Aussie bowlers were spot on and exected perfect plans and Ponting could just play about whatever fields he chose and they would be seen as brilliant because all his bowlers were bowling on one side of the wicket, quite simple really espescially the likes of Kasper and Dizzy who swing the ball and Mcgrath leading them. Some attack, and no one even talked about Warne in that whole tour, they were that good.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Was more Gilchrist TBF.
And also, it's worth bearing in mind that the India tour of 2004/05 hardly saw what you'd regard as typical subcontinent conditions. The Second and Fourth Tests were (the Fourth in the extreme), but the First was accurately described by Dean Jones as "a lamb in wolf's clothing" (ie, the pitch looked bad but actually played pretty flat) and the Third, of course, was deliberately prepared as a green seamer to try to sabotage India's prospects - and it worked.
Perm
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Haha, how about the 1980's? We were one of three teams to win more games than we lost, IIRC. Pretty fine effort.
Zinzan
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Yup, I'm also pretty sure we were ranked no.2 test team of the 80s after the great Windies side. And of course were unbeaten at home from 1980-1990 which included two visits from the West Indies (1979-80 & 1987-88).
Remember many on this forum are too young to remember this and are clearly uninformed when it comes to their cricket history.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
And we weren't all that bad in the 90s, or the early 00s for that matter.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
You were for a couple of years between about '94/95 and '96/97. Awful.
But yeah, apart from that NZ were OK-ish in the 1990s and early-2000s. And of course between '86/87 and '89/90 they were up there with the best.
andruid
International Coach
Ernest
U19 12th Man
Dizzy Gillespe
This time..
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/64101.html
9 wickets in the match.. he was probably the main reason why we won in India for the first time in 30 years..
And then the Poms took to him.
This time..
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/64101.html
9 wickets in the match.. he was probably the main reason why we won in India for the first time in 30 years..
And then the Poms took to him.
Ernest
U19 12th Man
Don't get what you mean.. shouldn't ever take anything away from brave Englands ashes triumph..
Dizzy was in form and got crunched by some excellent English batting. Fairly simple.
And then the stigma of being smashed by the poms was so great he never got picked again even after a bumper domestic summer. The bloke is still better than Peter bloody Siddle.
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
He did get picked again, against Bangladesh. batted quite wellDon't get what you mean.. shouldn't ever take anything away from brave Englands ashes triumph..
Dizzy was in form and got crunched by some excellent English batting. Fairly simple.
And then the stigma of being smashed by the poms was so great he never got picked again even after a bumper domestic summer. The bloke is still better than Peter bloody Siddle.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Nah. Gillespie totally lost it in a very short space of time. He was bowling juuuuuuuust fine at home in 2004/05, but in NZ later in the summer he was poor. And in England he was simply diabolical. Never have I seen such a capable bowler serve-up such a horror-show.
The bowler controls the game, not the batsman. Gillespie in 2005 simply handed buffet after buffet to batsmen who'd mostly struggled against him before (as well as some that had never faced him).
There's still hundreds of other things England did brilliantly that series, but they weren't responsible for Gillespie's shocking performance. No batsman can ever force such a good a bowler to bowl anywhere near that badly.