Best 2 Teams (1965 to 2015)

[sumantra]

1965 to 1990

Sunil Gavaskar
Barry Richards
Graeme Pollock
Vivian Richards
Greg Chappell
Garry Sobers
Alan Knott
Malcolm Marshall
Michael Holding
Denis Lilee
Derek Underwood

Extras - Allan Border, Gordon Greenidge, Imran Khan, Ian Botham, Martin Crowe, Kapil Dev, Javed Miandad


1990 to 2015

Mathew Hayden
Rahul Dravid
Ricky Ponting
Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara
Jacques Kallis
Adam Gilchrist
Shane Warne
Curtley Ambrose
Dale Steyn
Glenn McGrath

Extras - Kumara Sangakkara, Muthiah Muralitharan, Shaun Pollock, Wasim Akram, Steve Waugh, Waqar Younis, Allan Donald

Older team wins clearly I think...

 

[harsh.ag]

1965 to 1990

Sunil Gavaskar
Barry Richards
Vivian Richards
Graeme Pollock
Allan Border
Garry Sobers
Alan Knott
Imran Khan
Richard Hadlee
Malcolm Marshall
Joel Garner


1990 to 2015

Matthew Hayden
Graeme Smith
Ricky Ponting
Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara
Jacques Kallis
Adam Gilchrist
Shane Warne
Wasim Akram
Dale Steyn
Glenn McGrath

 

[subshakerz]

1965 to 1990

Sunil Gavaskar
Barry Richards
Vivian Richards
Graeme Pollock
Allan Border
Garry Sobers
Alan Knott
Imran Khan
Richard Hadlee
Malcolm Marshall
Joel Garner


1990 to 2015

Matthew Hayden
Graeme Smith
Ricky Ponting
Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara
Jacques Kallis
Adam Gilchrist
Shane Warne
Wasim Akram
Dale Steyn
Glenn McGrath

Almost there. Would put Greenidge for Barry as the former only played a handful of tests, and Lillee for Garner for obvious reasons, and Ambrose for Steyn.

65 to 90 wins by the way.

 

[harsh.ag]

Garner a specialist third/fourth bowler. Adds more value to the side than Lillee would.

 

[Slifer]

Almost there. Would put Greenidge for Barry as the former only played a handful of tests, and Lillee for Garner for obvious reasons, and Ambrose for Steyn.

65 to 90 wins by the way.

I'm curious to know those reasons....

 

[subshakerz]

I'm curious to know those reasons....

Lillee and Hadlee with the new ball and Marshall and Imran to follow. All four are capable of running through a side on their day, whereas Garner normally does a mop up job. Garner is by no means a weak link but not quite to the same level as the other four.

 

[harsh.ag]

Marshall-Hadlee with the new ball and Garner-Imran to follow is better. Marshall would be a bit wasted otherwise.

 

[sumantra]

By the way, given the fact that these two sides are gonna play, hypothetically, what kind of a chance does a Mathew Hayden or Virendra Sehwag has of doing well in a 50-50 pitch (that's what it should be at least) against Lille, Marshall, Holding, Imran and likes?

 

[Gob]

By the way, given the fact that these two sides are gonna play, hypothetically, what kind of a chance does a Mathew Hayden or Virendra Sehwag has of doing well in a 50-50 pitch (that's what it should be at least) against Lille, Marshall, Holding, Imran and likes?

Depends on the pitches I suppose. Far worse players than those two have scored runs against those players so I won't rule it out. Any who

65 to 90

Gavaskar
Greenidge
Richards
Chappell
Pollock
Sobers
Knott +
Imran *
Hadlee
Marshall
Quadir

90 to 2015

Hayden
Sehwag
Ponting
Tendulkar
Lara
Kallis
Gilchrist + *
Wasim
Warne
Steyn
McGrath

Gilly to captain. Would be close for sure

 

[subshakerz]

By the way, given the fact that these two sides are gonna play, hypothetically, what kind of a chance does a Mathew Hayden or Virendra Sehwag has of doing well in a 50-50 pitch (that's what it should be at least) against Lille, Marshall, Holding, Imran and likes?

Hayden's weakness was pace and Sehwag's weakness was lateral movement. They would definitely struggle unless its being played in the subcontinent. Overall, they may be the best pair but against a high quality pace attack I would choose Langer and Graeme Smith over them.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Hayden's weakness was pace

This is new

 

[subshakerz]

This is new

Is it? I thought it's been discussed before on the forum.

He clearly struggled with pacers like Ambrose early in his career, and later even in his peak struggled with Shoaib, the Ashes pacers and Steyn towards the end.

Of course, this is high pace, Hayden would murder any of the medium pace stuff.

 

[subshakerz]

Langer by comparison was much better against the same bowlers.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm not saying you're definitely wrong but it's not something I ever considered having watched most of his career (from 2000 onwards at least).

Not surprised that he struggled "struggled with pacers like Ambrose early in his career" because he was half the player then. Always seemed to handle SA's quicks well and can't recall him having more than usual trouble with Shoaib.

Hayden's weakness would be the same as Sehwag's, lateral movement. Had the most trouble in England and similar conditions against the swinging ball

 

[TheJediBrah]

Agree with your contention that Langer was relatively better against better bowlers and Hayden much better against more average bowlers. Genuine bully.

 

[subshakerz]

I'm not saying you're definitely wrong but it's not something I ever considered having watched most of his career (from 2000 onwards at least).

Not surprised that he struggled "struggled with pacers like Ambrose early in his career" because he was half the player then. Always seemed to handle SA's quicks well and can't recall him having more than usual trouble with Shoaib.

Hayden's weakness would be the same as Sehwag's, lateral movement. Had the most trouble in England and similar conditions against the swinging ball

Hayden did well in the UAE against Shoaib but that was baking hot conditions. Shoaib owned him on his tour to Australia in 2004.

I think Hayden's go to move was the front foot, something that is hard to do with 90mph plus pacers.

Regardless, even if it is lateral movement, then he will still struggle against a pre-90s pace attack.

 

[Gob]

Hayden did well in the UAE against Shoaib but that was baking hot conditions. Shoaib owned him on his tour to Australia in 2004.

I think Hayden's go to move was the front foot, something that is hard to do with 90mph plus pacers.

Regardless, even if it is lateral movement, then he will still struggle against a pre-90s pace attack.

I don't think international top order batsmen (that too good ones) struggle just against the genuine pace all that often tbh. It has to be coupled with either movement (in the air or off the wicket) or extra b.

 

[Migara]

1990 to 2015

(Test)
Virender Shewag
Graeme Smith
Ricky Ponting
Kumar Sangakkara*
Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara
Adam Gilchrist+
Dale Steyn
Muralitharan
Glenn McGrath
Mohammed Asif

(ODI)
Sanath Jayasuriya
Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli
Inzamam ul Haq
AB deVilliers
Angelo Mathews
MS Dhoni
Wasim Akram
Brett Lee
Muralitharan
Glenn McGrath

 

[Migara]

1965 to 1990

Sunil Gavaskar
Barry Richards
Graeme Pollock
Vivian Richards
Greg Chappell
Garry Sobers
Richard Hadlee
Syed Kirmani
Malcolm Marshall
Michael Holding
Bhagwat Chandrashekar

Kirmani instead of Knott, because he was one of the players who could read Chandra. Non team keepers have become shockers when keeping to mystery spinners. The closest was Boucher's utter clulessness keeping to Murali in the super tests.

 

[Migara]

Or should I pull Asif out and add Warne to the side and unleash Murali - Warne against batsmen of 65-90. Non of them has ever played anything close to that quality from a single end, let alone both ends.