ATVG Draft

[Shri]

Rules:

No openers who average over 45

No batsmen who average over 50

No all rounders who average over 40 with the bat or under 30 with the ball

No wicket-keepers who average over 40 with the bat

No fast bowlers who average under 25

No spin bowlers who average under 28

Every team should have at least one player from 8 different test nations.

Draft rules:

No draft orders. You can pick once every 24 hours from the time you picked.

The players:

Teuton
trundler
ataraxia
honestbharani
a massive zebra
Line and Length
Flem
Fuller Pilch
Coronis
Kingkallis
aussie tragic
mr_mister

@mr_mister hasn't ****ing confirmed yet nor has @aussie tragic . They can join if they make a pick in the first 24 hours after the start of round 1, which starts now.

 

[honestbharani]

Shakib Al Hasan

 

[Line and Length]

Bob Willis (fast bowler ave 25.2)

 

[aussie tragic]

Thanks Shri, I'll play.

Martin Crowe (45.37)

 

[Flem274*]

heath streak

 

[aussie tragic]

What's the criteria to stop ATG WK being picked?

 

[honestbharani]

WK with batting average less than 40?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Victor Trumper

 

[Shri]

Round 1:

Teuton - Andy Roberts
trundler - Clem Hill
ataraxia
honestbharani - Shakib al hasan
Line and Length - Bob Willis
Flem - Heath Streak
Fuller Pilch - Victor Trumper
Coronis - Alan Knott
Kingkallis
aussie tragic - Martin Crowe
mr_mister - Frank Worrell

 

[Teuton]

Andy Roberts

 

[Coronis]

Alan Knott

 

[mr_mister]

Frank Worrell

 

[trundler]

Clem Hill

 

[kingkallis]

Gordon Greenidge

 

[a massive zebra]

Rangana Herath

 

[trundler]

Does Worrell count as an all rounder?

 

[Teuton]

Fair question. I had him categorised as an all-rounder. Don't mind either way but a consistent rule would be good

 

[a massive zebra]

Yeah, we really need a clear definition, such as >= 1 wicket per match or >= 75 balls per match = all rounder

Otherwise, some people will forgo players they consider to be all rounders, only for other people with lower thresholds to subsequently pick them.

In fact, this has already happened. Worrell took 350 first class wickets and a test 7 for, so most people probably passed him by as he doesn't meet the batting criteria for an all rounder. Yet Mr_Mister picked him.

 

[Shri]

It's the spirit that's important. No one's going to think of a bowler or an all rounder when they think of Worrell. Besides, we aren't doing bowling orders at the end so it should be fine.

 

[a massive zebra]

That isn't unambiguous enough in my opinion because some people will categorise certain players as allrounders and others will not. Then the people who applied a stricter definition of all rounder will miss out on certain players that do get selected by others in the draft.

So far, you seemed to imply that Doug Walters is an allrounder and Frank Worrell is not. Not only did Frank Worrell bowl a lot more and take a lot more wickets, but 46 of Frank Worrell's 69 test wickets were taken when opening the bowling! Walters never opened the bowling once in his career. There is no statistical justification for treating Walters as an all rounder and Worrell as a batsman (other than bowling average I guess).