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ATG Teams: CW 2022 Results

Line and Length

International Captain
We should probably be more specific….

2 openers
3 MOB
1 Batting All rounder
1 Wicketkeeper
1 Bowling All rounder
2 Pace bowlers
1 spinner

If you have a balanced all-rounder like Botham, Imran, Kapil rather than a bowling all-rounder then you can bat them at No.7 and pick a specialist keeper.


The problem is that Imran is either a balanced all-rounder (late career) or a bowling all-rounder….not a batting all-rounder.
Your suggestions are well thought out and logical but difficult to implement if taking players from lists. Imran is a case in point. When the list of all-rounders was compiled from members' votes there was no indication as to the category (Batting, bowling or balanced).
 

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
It seems bizarre to me to be using the top 50 batsmen list for the middle order slots, but ignoring the opening batsmen on that top 50 and using the separate openers list for the top of the order. If the ranking of openers changes from week to week, why wouldn't it for the middle order players too?

And where does that leave someone like Victor Trumper, who batted in multiple positions and is now getting overlooked entirely?
 

Line and Length

International Captain
It seems bizarre to me to be using the top 50 batsmen list for the middle order slots, but ignoring the opening batsmen on that top 50 and using the separate openers list for the top of the order. If the ranking of openers changes from week to week, why wouldn't it for the middle order players too?

And where does that leave someone like Victor Trumper, who batted in multiple positions and is now getting overlooked entirely?
Points taken. As I didn't start any of the voting threads - a general "batsman", which included openers was subsequently followed by an "openers" voting thread - though I did take over the vote counting until round figures were reached for each category. It was an arbitrary decision to use the openers voting to compile these teams otherwise the list of teams would have ended at 5 (10 openers). I have further teams of 9 compiled that are waiting for the openers list to grow.
Regarding Trumper, I am regarding him as a MOB unless he crops up earlier on the openers list.

As for @ataraxia saying it could be better organised, I said from the outset that these were teams compiled from Members' voting and, as such, it's a simple matter of progressively taking names from lists. Not much organising required in that. :happy:
 

Flem274*

123/5
I'm liking these. They're meant to start discussion in the thread, not be the definitive list of CW. You couldn't really make that with all the different opinions on here.
 

Line and Length

International Captain
With the votes in for the 11th and 12th players on the Openers list I can name the next XI as determined by the votes in the various categories.

6th XI
M.Hayden
G.Gooch
R.Dravid
E.Weekes
D.Compton
Shakib Al Hasan
J.Waite
A.Roberts
H.Verity
C.Walsh
J.Anderson

I can keep the exercise going to the end of the lists but the wicketkeeper voting only has a couple more names and misses some real talent (eg Tallon) because of the wicket-keeper batsman title of the thread.
 
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Line and Length

International Captain
I overlooked Waite (6th in the Wicket-keeper/Batsmen poll). I have edited that team (replacing Dhoni who will be in the 7th XI). I was hoping to compile 10-12 XIs from the voting threads but will run out after 9 teams (Sanga already got the nod as a batsman).

Check out the Wicket-Keeper/Batsman poll if you would like to see more of these XIs.
 

Line and Length

International Captain
Pleasing to see the votes in the Openers thread continuing as well as the wicketkeepers list.
This has enabled me to continue listing the teams as the players appear in the various voting categories.

7th XI
A.Morris
B.Lawry
Younis Khan
D.Nourse
C.Walcott
MS Dhoni
Kapil Dev
P.Cummins
H.Tayfield
B.Statham
B.Willis

A rather long tail here. Dohni and Dev would be better suited to one slot lower than here. That's the problem with picking 2 openers, 3 batsman, an all-rounder, a 'keeper, 3 pace bowlers and a spinner from the various lists. In this case the all-rounder is primarily a strike bowler (Dev) who happened to be a more than useful bat. This side would be better served with one less pace bowler (Statham or Willis) and a batsman who bowled a bit (a Walters or Dexter)
 

Line and Length

International Captain
8th XI

V.Trumper
A.Cook
R.Kanhai
AB de Villiers
A.Flower
A.Faulkner
F.Engineer
A.Kumble
I.Bishop
H.Larwood
S.Akhtar

A couple of anomalies here. Trumper gains an opening spot by virtue of the "Openers" voting. However, he had already earned a spot as a MOB batsman so Kanhai was moved across from the 9th XI part line-up. The side also has 2 wicketkeepers with Flower taken from the MOB voting and Engineer in 8th spot on the Wicketkeeper/Batsmen voting. I feel the team would be better balanced having Engineer opening (though his average is well down on other opening options), Trumper at 4 and the rest shifted down a spot.
 

bagapath

International Captain
8th XI

V.Trumper
A.Cook
R.Kanhai
AB de Villiers
A.Flower
A.Faulkner
F.Engineer
A.Kumble
I.Bishop
H.Larwood
S.Akhtar

A couple of anomalies here. Trumper gains an opening spot by virtue of the "Openers" voting. However, he had already earned a spot as a MOB batsman so Kanhai was moved across from the 9th XI part line-up. The side also has 2 wicketkeepers with Flower taken from the MOB voting and Engineer in 8th spot on the Wicketkeeper/Batsmen voting. I feel the team would be better balanced having Engineer opening (though his average is well down on other opening options), Trumper at 4 and the rest shifted down a spot.
trumper should open. out of 74 innings he batted 6 times at no 4; and opened the innings 52 times. also Andy flower is good enough to be a middle order bat alone, though he is a legit test wicket keeper also. don't know if larwood and akhthar will fire together often. if they do, this is a good team.
 

Line and Length

International Captain
Thanks to those who have added votes to the Openers poll, I can continue compiling teams from our voting threads.

9th XI

B.Mitchell
B.Ponsford
N.Harvey
J.Root
F.Worrell
R.Jadeja
R.Marsh
K.Rabada
D.Underwood
W.Hall
N.Adcock

I thought that, by now, I'd be battling to compile balanced teams but this XI, apart from a lengthy tail, looks more than reasonable. The three pronged pace-attack is solid and with 2 fine spinners in support there is no flaw in the bowling department. The batting line-up has a strong first 5 and 2 capable bats to follow.
 

Fuller Pilch

Cricketer Of The Year
Thanks to those who have added votes to the Openers poll, I can continue compiling teams from our voting threads.

9th XI

B.Mitchell
B.Ponsford
N.Harvey
J.Root
F.Worrell
R.Jadeja
R.Marsh
K.Rabada
D.Underwood
W.Hall
N.Adcock

I thought that, by now, I'd be battling to compile balanced teams but this XI, apart from a lengthy tail, looks more than reasonable. The three pronged pace-attack is solid and with 2 fine spinners in support there is no flaw in the bowling department. The batting line-up has a strong first 5 and 2 capable bats to follow.
I know the sides are following a formula for selection, but with 2 very good part-timers in the top 5 (Worrell and Root) who could share the 5th bowler duties this side could drop a bowler and pick another batsman at 6.
 

Xix2565

State Vice-Captain
I know the sides are following a formula for selection, but with 2 very good part-timers in the top 5 (Worrell and Root) who could share the 5th bowler duties this side could drop a bowler and pick another batsman at 6.
I mean who would you drop? Jadeja is basically close to 2 players in one as a very good/great AR and a better spinner than Worrell and Root combined, Underwood is also too good to drop as a spinner unless you don't want this team to succeed in spinning conditions so that leaves you with one of the 3 pacers to drop, and you wouldn't drop a pacer for that reason unless you're current England. I'll never get this idea that 4 genuine bowlers + average to poor part timers is a better balance for a Test side than 5 genuine bowlers. One is more likely to win you games than the other and it isn't the part timers side.
 

Fuller Pilch

Cricketer Of The Year
I'd drop one of the spinners (not sure which one). Jadeja isn't a great 6 and Marsh isn't a great 7, and it is a weak tail (8-11). If that side lost early wickets it could easily get rolled for under 200 and wouldn't win many tests. Having a good number 6 would add much to that side.

I agree with your point about the value of 5 bowlers, but interesting that the great Windies and Australian teams had 6 batsmen, keeper and 4 bowlers.
 

Line and Length

International Captain
I'd drop one of the spinners (not sure which one). Jadeja isn't a great 6 and Marsh isn't a great 7, and it is a weak tail (8-11). If that side lost early wickets it could easily get rolled for under 200 and wouldn't win many tests. Having a good number 6 would add much to that side.

I agree with your point about the value of 5 bowlers, but interesting that the great Windies and Australian teams had 6 batsmen, keeper and 4 bowlers.
Given that Jadeja averages 54.5 batting at 6 whle Marsh scored his 3 Test centuries batting at 7 (where he batted most of his innings), that might be a little harsh.
 

Xix2565

State Vice-Captain
I'd drop one of the spinners (not sure which one). Jadeja isn't a great 6 and Marsh isn't a great 7, and it is a weak tail (8-11). If that side lost early wickets it could easily get rolled for under 200 and wouldn't win many tests. Having a good number 6 would add much to that side.

I agree with your point about the value of 5 bowlers, but interesting that the great Windies and Australian teams had 6 batsmen, keeper and 4 bowlers.
Any side can get rolled for low scores based on conditions, there is no batting lineup that can handle great bowling in conditions that only enhance said bowling, be it for pace/seam or spin. Bowlers are more important than batters for Test cricket and having a better attack when possible is always going to be helpful. It's aggressive and risky, but that's how things can get when it comes to taking 20 wickets.

Well they dominated against the opposition of their time, who most of the time didn't have as much or any good bowlers that could compete with them. Having a better attack matters, but when it comes to say ATG side makeups or what not when everyone involved is so good, any small advantage in bowling matters.
 

Fuller Pilch

Cricketer Of The Year
Perhaps true but their overall averages are 35.76 (Jadeja) and 26.51 (Marsh). If we look at the NZ allrounder and keeper (both of whom are in danger of being dropped for superior batsmen), De Grandhomme averages 38.61 while Blundell averages 33.70.
 

Fuller Pilch

Cricketer Of The Year
The best way to win in test cricket (in most countries) is to win the toss, score 400+, apply scoreboard pressure and bowl well on days 4/5 to win.
 

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